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In less than 24 hours, rank lists (from both, the programs and applicants) will be certified in the NRMP system. Let's get reviews started while things are still fresh because we didn't do such a good job the last two years and the formal orthogate reviews are getting quite old. Format below. Good luck everyone!

Med School: (Actual or region. School Ranking if known.)
Boards: Step 1: Step 2: (when did you take)
Rank:
AOA: (Junior/Senior)
Preclinicals: (Honors, HP, E, P, what ever your school uses.)
Clinicals:
Ortho: (grades you received.)
Aways: (Important! Location/region, reach/safety/etc, interview, etc)
Research:
Extracurriculars:

What I was looking for in a Program:


How many Programs:
Applied to:
Offered Interviews:
Attended:

Tier 1:
(Please describe programs here in detail)

Tier 2:

Tier 3:

NOT RANKED

Matched at: (did away there, where on ROL, etc)

Advice for future applicants:
(Please include other comments on aways, connections, someone made a phone call, etc. I am curious about this and I'm sure others are as well)
9 years ago
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Thanks to all that have responded and provided extremely useful information. Has anyone had any experiences with either of the University of Florida programs? How about Orlando Regional? Thanks in advance and good luck to all.
9 years ago
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I found these threads helpful when I was going through the application process. Thought I'd try to revitalize!

Med School: Midwest/East, top 20 nationally
Boards: Step 1: >250 Step 2: >260 – released prior to interviews
Rank: top 10%
AOA: yes
Preclinicals: P on P/F scale
Clinicals: mostly honors, including surgery
Ortho: honors
Aways: 2 in the midwest
Research: 11 pubs, 9 ortho
Extracurriculars: standard stuff, nothing crazy

What I was looking for in a Program: strong reputation, good operative experience, solid and reputable mentors, accessible research opportunities, desire to be in Midwest, bro culture

How many Programs:
Applied to: 58, all Midwest with a few East Coast, zero programs that required universal supplement
Offered Interviews: 32
Attended: 17
Didn’t Attend: MGH, NYU, Tufts, BU, Maryland, GT, others

Tier 1: (alphabetical)

Case Western: Very nice balance of operative learning and academics. You see a ton of trauma at Metro Health, likely one of the best trauma experiences in the country. Residents are some of the slickest around in terms of operative ability. Plenty of big faculty names, but has remained a resident-centered program. The Allen fellowship is a great opportunity for residents in need of research, but a scary proposition for those who have zero desire to take an additional year off, including myself. Have heard in the past that they have literally drawn straws. Lower in tier 1 for me because of the possibility of an Allen year.

Jefferson: Program lives up to the hype in every way, and I had minimal interest in east coast. The place is built on efficiency. Our interview day was done by 10am and rank list was set by noon. Clinical volume is high and moves at a high pace driven by the Rothman private practice. Operative experience is solid – as an example, you are solely responsible for running a community service as a PGY2 at Bryn Mawr. Research opportunities are incredible, with big names in Vaccaro (chair) and Williams (shoulder elbow) among many others. Williams is also incoming AAOS president, for what its worth. With that, fellowship match list is quite impressive. Vaccaro has a business background and wants to increase business knowledge of his residents. He and Purtill (PD) have essentially worked an MBA into your resident curriculum. Jeff is in center city which is the nicest part of Philly and where most residents live (convenient but expensive). You would graduate this program as an outstanding surgeon with some of the best mentors in the ortho world. Definitely in the discussion for best program in the country.

Michigan: Outstanding program with a great operative experience and exceptional resident culture/lifestyle. Research and mentorship opportunities are incredible. Bedi (sports) is the highest impact ortho researcher in the country. Big player for NFL and NBA physician societies, with pro athletes frequently in clinic. Well-liked and highly-regarded by everyone, and a big reason why match list has been incredible for sports. Chung (hand) runs the highest output hand and upper extremity research group in the country, UM is building him a stand alone outpatient hand surgery center. Operative experience is great, with residents saying they frequently do entire cases with minimal attending involvement. Only a few fellows and they apparently really do not interfere with the experience. You get to cover Michigan football and be on the field at the big house as a PGY5. Resident culture and lifestyle are big selling points. Michigan House Officer Association is the only unionized resident population in country, which comes with huge perks and benefits. Schedule and commitments are cush, and Ann Arbor is a great college town. Detroit airport was only 20 min away on interview day. Overall awesome program.

Rush: National ortho powerhouse driven by the Midwest Orthopaedics private practice group (number 4 group in country via US news). Many big names: Jacobs (chair), Della Valle (joints), An (spine). In addition to the 2013 AAOS president (Jacobs), they have 3 sitting presidents of subspecialty societies. That being said, big names draw fellows. However, Rush has high enough volume (combined with a small class of only 5 residents) that it really does not deter from the resident experience. In fact, residents seem to enjoy interacting with and learning from some of the top fellows every year. Also makes for unique networking opportunities down the line. The fellowship match list is the most impressive I saw on the trail. Research opportunities are outstanding, likely second to none. Major presence in joints, sports, and spine in particular. Residents said it would be pretty much impossible to graduate with fewer than 10 publications, with many reaching 100+ no problem. Overall an outstanding program that lives up to the reputation. Also in the discussion for best program in the country.

Tier 2:

Beaumont: The program that Harry Herkowitz built. It really hasn’t skipped a beat with Fischgrund taking over. Self-proclaimed highest orthopaedic volume in the country behind HSS. Wiater (PD) runs the highest volume shoulder practice in the country, and you will do more reverse total shoulders as an intern than most shoulder fellows. Program is run by private practice, but unique from similar ones in that they see a ton of trauma. Residents say inpatient trauma list is routinely 80 to 100 patients. The hospital bows down to ortho in every way: 25 dedicated orthopaedic operating rooms, a huge ortho-only procedure room in the ED, 3 resident team rooms with each resident assigned to his/her own computer on top floor of new hospital wing. If ortho doesn’t want to take a patient or transfer onto their service, it goes somewhere else, no questions asked. People respected Herkowitz more than the hospital’s CEO or board of directors, and that still shows today. Tier 2 just because Michigan is the bigger name, but there I have zero doubt this program is on its way to being a national power.

Loyola: Likely the best program in Chicago in regards to operative volume/experience. Unlike Rush and U of Chicago, they are a level 1 trauma center, and way more accessible than NMH in terms of ambulance traffic. The main hospital is in Maywood (far west side of town), but most residents still lived in the city. Commute is a bit longer than Rush, NW, UC. New chair seems like a really good advocate for the residents. Former chair Terry Light (past AOB and ASSH president) still plays an important role and remains prominent. Community feel of the resident body was a very strong selling point. Great program, but I give the edge in Chicago to Rush for its national reputation.

Minnesota: Pleasantly surprised by this program. First thing I found impressive was that they interview only 40 applicants for 8 spots. Interview day is unique in that one of the interview rooms is a standardized trauma patient that you have to evaluate and then staff with an attending. Busiest orthopaedic VA in the country, and the residents run the show. Really good trauma experience at Hennepin County. Very strong in hand as well. Sites are spread out all over the twin cities, with residents living all over. Minneapolis is a fun city in the summer, but brutally cold in the winter. Overall a really great program. I am surprised it doesn’t steal more students from Mayo given that Rochester is a far cry from the lovely twin cities.

UPenn: Residents work hard, hierarchical vibe, but overall a happy and approachable group. They see a ton of trauma, considerably more than Jeff given their location on the west side. Levin (hand) is a very accomplished chair and has received a lot of press as of recently for his bilateral pediatric hand transplant patient. He might be the most intimidating chair on the trail, but I could tell that he would be an incredible asset to have in your corner. Research scene is impressive, with Penn consistently in top 3 for ortho NIH funding. Nice program, towards the top of tier 2, but leaves something to be desired compared to her cross-town rival in Jefferson.

Wisconsin: Great program with a strong reputation. Huge names in the spine world (Zdeblick, Tribus, Anderson), with one of the highest regarded spine fellowships. Heard plenty of rumblings that Zdeblick would be stepping down from chair within next 5 years, not that it’s a huge deal but something to be aware of. Residents graduate to either very nice fellowships, or go straight into community practice – a testament to the operative experience. Recently opened a new outpatient surgery center on the east side of town that is very nice. Residents are a happy group and fun to spend time with. Madison seems like a great town with plenty to do despite it not being huge. Definitely one of the best programs in the Midwest.

Tier 3:

Medical College of Wisconsin: Best social event! Brewery tour at Lakefront Brewery – consensus top 10 tour in country. Very heavy peds focus with disproportionate amount of time spent on peds, as childrens hosp of Wisconsin routinely ranks top 5 nation-wide. Rest of the services seemed to be good. Residents seemed happy and receive a ton of benefits. Milwaukee is a great place to be, especially in the summer.

Northwestern: Great setting - NMH is in downtown Chicago essentially between Michigan Ave and Navy Pier. Every morning starts off with didactics in a 12th floor conference room of a new outpatient surgery/clinic center overlooking Lake Michigan. Didactics are huge, almost to an oppressive point, but residents were bright. Peabody (onc) seemed like a solid chair and has the program moving in the right direction. He came to NW about 5 years ago from UChicago and has made many improvements since that time. Has a reputation for taking almost exclusively rotators, so be sure to rotate if you have serious interest. Residents had more fun at the pre-interview social than anywhere else! Despite the recent decrease to 6 residents, heard too many concerns about the operative experience from rotators and NW students to rank higher.

U of Chicago: Over the past 5+ years, UC has seen a ton of change with Peabody leaving, ortho division becoming a department, and new leadership coming in. The change is continuing most notably with the re-classification as a level 1 trauma center in 2018 (I believe this is when they said). It will be interesting to see how this shakes up the Chicago ortho scene. My guess is that it will steal some trauma from Loyola, but ultimately is not likely to really matter given how big Chicago is and the high potential for traumas. Sounds like a great operative setup, with the PGY5 talking the PGY2 through each case while the attending basically looks on. Dirschl is one of the most approachable chairs on the trail. He hangs out in the common area during interview day and casually talks with the applicants rather than taking part in any formal interview room. This was the only program that publishes zero information about current or former residents on the website, which I found odd. Nice program, possibly on a great trajectory, but too much uncertainty for me to rank higher.

Tier 4:

Indiana: Found it strange that they have one of the premier practices in Indiana Hand to Shoulder right next door, yet have minimal overlap or interaction. They also have a top musculoskeletal research group with little to no ties to the ortho residency. Lastly, their request to ACGME for a research track just got denied. Seems like all the pieces are in place to turn this into an elite residency, but they just haven’t come together yet.

McLaren Flint: Nice group of people. Strong operative experience, especially in joints. Unique opportunities with their vehicular trauma laboratory. They were apologetic that you have to spend 5 years in Flint, and you randomly rotate in Washington state for peds.

University of Illinois – Chicago: Another program with a good operative experience. However, clinical sites are literally all over the city. Afternoon commutes can easily be north of 90 minutes. With the many sites, you have a lot of alone time. Not much of a team feel, but I’m sure you leave a good surgeon.

Western Michigan: New leadership (chair and pd) seems really great. They told me “we’ll never be a Michigan, a Duke, etc., but you’ll be able to operate a ton and leave a great surgeon” – I appreciated their honesty and sense of self-awareness.

NOT RANKED: none

Matched at: 1

Advice for future applicants: Programs start looking pretty similar. I found 4 key features that don’t really change: geography, culture, operative volume, research volume. Thinking about programs in those 4 categories allowed me to form a tentative rank list. Spend time researching and picking away rotations. Be a normal, approachable person on your rotations - it is much easier to stand out for the wrong reasons.

Good Luck!
9 years ago
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I pulled a lot out of useful information from these reviews when I was figuring out where I wanted to apply, so I figure I ought to add my observations to the mix. That being said, I think this thread goes a little overboard with the amount of information that’s requested. That is useful in aggregate, but that’s why this site has traditionally kept a google doc where applicants can input their data and others can analyze it. As much as I’d love to brag to you internet strangers, I don’t feel that rehashing my application or telling you where I ranked on my match list adds anything to this other than an opportunity for me to satisfy my own ego, so I’m omitting those parts. And I’m listing programs alphabetically, because no one reading this has any clue who I am or what I’m like, and there were a lot of personal factors in how I made my match list. Everyone is looking for something different in this process, and matching anywhere is a huge accomplishment. Don’t get caught up with things like how highly regarded it is. Whether or not I, or anyone for that matter, liked a program should be irrelevant. The reasons I didn't like a place might be the exact reason that you would love it. You're the only person who knows what will be a good fit for yourself. Just use our experiences to help you make an informed decision.

Spend some time giving some serious thought to where you want to go in your career, and then consider what kind of program you need to be in to end up there. There are some programs you should only go to if you think that someday you might want to be a department chair. There are others where you should only go if it really matters to you that you can leave residency functioning at the level of a trauma fellow. And when you get an opportunity to listen to the pitch at one of these trauma-heavy places or one of these uber-academic places, you should think really carefully about how much that pitch aligns with who you are and where you want to go. If you don’t have a compelling need to do one of those two things, you could probably find a program where you’d have more personal time during residency and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with wanting that. You’ll have tradeoffs at all of these places, and you can’t weigh those tradeoffs until you’ve really inspected your own priorities. Once you’ve done that, find the programs that align with those priorities and then look for a group of people you’ll fit with. This is 5 years of your life. Find a place you’ll be happy at work in a city where you can be happy away from it and don't let anyone else's opinions influence you too much.

I’ve tried to compile as much objective information as I can here. And rather than concluding with what I viewed as the strengths and the weaknesses, I’ve tried to describe what kind of applicant would be a good fit for each place. If that description fits you, then that program might be a good place to apply.

Allegheny General
Camaraderie was a big aspect of their sales pitch – they really emphasized how well everyone got along and how much time they spent together outside of the hospital. They did seem close, but they didn’t seem terribly enthusiastic about their program. Rotators said that the operative experience for the residents was robust and they got a lot of trauma. Weekday call is covered by night float as a PGY2. Fellows on trauma, hand and sports. Sounded like they had good PA support. There is support for research and apparently some residents have been fairly productive, but they stressed that it’s not forced on anyone. Fellowship placement of recent graduates is fine, and the specifics can be found on their website. The facilities were nice. The ortho home base was really big. Stay predominantly at AGH so commuting isn’t too bad, but they have to go to Akron for pediatrics. AGH is currently building a pediatrics floor which will improve the pediatrics experience in Pittsburgh, but the residents will still have to go to Akron. They tried to sell that as a positive by saying they all love the experience there. I still wouldn’t want to get shipped to Akron for several months. Also have to cover high school football games every Friday night. They get paid $150 per game, but I’d much rather have my Friday nights. Pittsburgh is a cool town that’s being revitalized by the tech industry. Most of the residents live in Lawrenceville, which used to be where all the steel workers lived. If you like a Midwest feel and just want to be among a group of really close friends who operate a ton then this would be a good place for you.

Augusta
There is one guy from Wisconsin, one guy from California, and the entire rest of the residency is Southern. In fact, almost everyone is from Georgia itself. This could be off-putting if you’re not okay with some good old boy culture, but they were also some of the nicest people I met during the process. Southern hospitality is no joke, and they made me feel very welcome here. They were incredibly down to earth and inviting. They all felt that it was a good place to live, a good group, they got a good operative experience, they could count on their coresidents to look out for them and they had a solid home life. In the first few lines of the morning presentation people described the program as a bunch of real laid back people who don’t take themselves too seriously. All of my interviews reflected that mentality. Residents never have to leave Augusta for rotations – there is a children’s hospital and a VA onsite and a private group in town who they all work with in addition to the main hospital. The facilities were rather bleh, but I didn’t really care that much. In terms of attendings there are 1 sports, 1 joints, 3 peds, 1 hand, 1 trauma, 1 shoulder, 1 spine, 1 foot and ankle (podiatrist), and 3 at the VA. There’s no oncology rotation. All of the attendings seemed like they’d be tremendous to work with, but I did have some concerns about learning each subspecialty from such a limited number of people. The trauma attending runs two rooms, with a PGY2 covering one and a PGY5 covering the other. Fellowship matches were surprisingly good. Weekday call is covered by a PGY2 night float which handles trauma, hand, spine, peds and the floor. Cost of living is so low in Augusta that residents are able to afford not just homes but large homes. The surrounding area is beautiful, too. This has understandably attracted a lot of married residents with kids, which seemed to make up the majority of the program. Lifestyle was very solid. Everyone shows up at 6:30 for the morning report from the night float resident, with the exception of the trauma intern who comes in earlier to round. Rounding is done between cases. If you’re alright with Georgia culture, a small city, and working in a small department this would be an amazing place to spend 5 years, especially if you have a family.

Baylor University Medical Center (Dallas)
The first question everyone I was with had about this place was how you could be named Baylor but not have any association with Baylor. The story was that way back in the day, the main Baylor hospital was in Dallas. Around World War II, the hospital moved to Houston, which is where the Baylor College of Medicine is now located. Some physicians didn’t make the move from Dallas to Houston, though, and that group continued using Baylor in its name. At the present time the hospital is named Baylor University Medical Center (BUMC). It has traditionally been a private practice group, and they are affiliated with the Baylor Scott and White health system. The orthopedic department at BUMC just started this orthopedic residency. Currently there are only PGY1s and PGY2s. The upshot of this is that the interns are already getting tons of OR reps because they aren’t truly needed yet. BUMC traditionally ran solely with PAs, and it was repeatedly emphasized during the interview day that the department could function without the residents. This means there’s very little scut and it allows them to spend their time in the OR. It also means that the emergency room is used to functioning without an in-house orthopedist, so at least at this point the call schedule is only in-house until 11 pm. The flipside is that there is no track record of fellowship placement for the program, there are no older residents to serve as role models or mentors, and if you make a dumb mistake as an intern it will get caught by an attending rather than a senior resident. However, all residents and attendings insisted that while there is additional attention and the residents hear things “from the horse’s mouth” rather than having them filtered down to them, that this comes along with understanding and patience. Because it’s primarily a private hospital, attendings participate on an opt-in basis, and residents have had a lot of input as to who they work with. The same is true for rotation schedules –the residents have a lot of say. Really nice group of guys – 3 of the 6 were former college football players. Several had kids. All very laid back, definitely a Texas-heavy group. BUMC is a level 1 trauma center, and there are 3 trauma surgeons and no trauma fellow. This means that currently the interns get to be first assist a lot. This will likely change over time as the program matures to a full cohort of residents, though. One PGY2 said he had already done 600 cases and one PGY1 said he had done 200. All rotations were in Dallas. It’s unclear whether or not they’ll rotate through Scottish Rite, but that’s a possibility. There is a new Cowboys training facility being built north of the city that they’ll work at as well. Dallas is a pretty big city, and it sprawls forever because there’s so much space in Texas. There’s a considerable amount of uncertainty here given the short track record, but if you are alright with that, it would be a phenomenal place to work and it would provide some of the best early operative experience imaginable.

Carolinas
Very interesting combination of private (OrthoCarolinas) and academic (Carolinas Medical Center). The line between CMC and OrthoCarolinas seemed to get blurry at times, but it’s estimated that about 50% of the residents’ time is spent in CMC and 50% is spent in OrthoCarolinas. The residents never leave Charlotte and the clinical sites are clustered within a mile of each other - there is CMC, the attached children’s hospital, an attached cancer hospital, and the Mercy hospital. Charlotte is an interesting city. It’s a big banking center, which has ended up making it into a transplant city. It doesn’t feel as southern as some of the other places I visited. It's very spread out. The downtown area is small, not much in the way of a big-city skyline, and it turns into suburbs very fast. There are a fair amount of fellows, however every rotation but peds is set up as a mentorship model. This means that each resident has a specific attending they’re working with for weeks at a time. There’s no crossover in attending assignment between fellows and residents, so in theory they should stay out of each other’s way. The mentorship model is also designed to get attendings familiar with what the residents are capable of on a day-to-day basis in order to maximize their ability to assume responsibility in the OR. Tough to say whether or not the model is better than the typical team-based model, but rotators seemed impressed by the way it worked. The residents were happy, easy-going, and nice. What stood out most was how proud they were of their program, at one point emphasizing that “it really is as good as we make it sound.” Very cohesive-feeling group. Several were married with kids. Fairly diverse group, and I don’t think anyone had a connection to Charlotte. Fellowship placement was very impressive for recent graduates, it’s got a strong reputation nationally, and there are some big name attendings, especially in foot and ankle. During the month of August the interns spend every afternoon working on simlabs, didactics, cadaver labs, etc. in order to get up to speed. Didactics sounded very strong too, and they leverage OrthoCarolinas to provide a strong education in the business side of medicine. CMC is the 6th busiest trauma center in the country and the trauma experience was described as a “high level experience without being trauma heavy.” There are 4 trauma attendings, 3 trauma fellows and 3 NP’s on the service. The NP’s hold the consult pager during the day but residents are responsible for all of the morning rounding. I got the impression that things get pretty rough on trauma, but when working at OrthoCarolinas, lifestyle sounded great. Weekday call is covered by night float, and residents take their turn either in the second half of PGY2 or the first half of PGY3. The night float resident fields peds, hand, spine and trauma consults. There is very little spine call because neurosurgery takes the vast majority of it but lots of hand call because plastics doesn’t take any. Research resources were immense, as CMC and OrthoCarolinas both have fully staffed research arms. One resident per year does a research year between PGY1 and PGY2 and it’s determined after the match. Multiple residents emphasized that one of the things they liked most about the program was that it allowed them to spend time with their family. The perks here were absurd. Lead aprons, lead glasses, loupes, a personal locker in what looked like a country club, and boatloads of free food. If you think you are inclined towards a career in private practice, I don’t know if you’re going to find a better exposure to it in residency than this, and it’s balanced by a strong academic center with a good trauma experience. These residents are taken care of incredibly well, and they seem very happy. You’ve gotta like the mentorship model, though.

Fresno
Newer program that has only sent a few classes into fellowship so far. They’ve done well, though, already matching at UCLA, UW, Methodist, Rush and Orlando. Some of the nicest, most easy-going attendings I encountered during this process. It seemed like a friendly place where the culture is super relaxed and everyone was looks out for each other. Sequoia National Park is literally next to Fresno, and Yosemite is an hour and a half away. One residents said he gets out to Yosemite for day trips roughly once a month. Fresno seems to get a bad rap, but I drove through the northern part of town and could easily have settled down there. There were several residents with kids. Everyone had gone through my application in a fair amount of detail and prepared questions before I showed up, which I really appreciated because that was not always the case. Major draws to the place were the affordability, the fact that it was in California, the outdoors, the operative volume and the lifestyle. Another applicant who had rotated there said there couldn’t have been less pretense, everyone was down to earth, and the attendings treated all of the residents with great respect. The chairman was pretty energetic and excited about what they’re building. Said that they had this massive volume and felt like it was going to waste not having trainees around to learn from it. The program director was a younger guy who seemed very close with the residents. There were a fair amount of residents with California ties, but not an overwhelming majority. Definitely not pitched as a heavy academic program, but there are research rotations in PGY2 and PGY3 to allow you to get some things done. Some rotations are in Visalia, which is a 40 minute drive away, and it sounded like there’s an option to sleep there. There’s also oncology in San Francisco at UCSF as well. Call was a little bit funky. Ortho consults go first into “Gorilla Call.” This is an intern call pool which covers plastics, burn, ortho trauma and general surgery trauma in addition to handling pages for the general surgery trauma list. Every intern does a month on Gorilla Call, covering 10 days of days and 10 days of nights. Gorilla Call weekends are covered by the interns on other services, with a max of 4 shifts per month. It sounds like you’re literally wrestling a silverback the entire night. They were not shy about the fact that these calls can be brutal. However, it means that EM interns and gen surg interns also end up holding ortho’s bomb for portions of the year because those services rotate their interns through Gorilla Call as well. Another benefit of Gorilla Call is that even as a PGY2, someone has staffed the consult before you. There is no night float system, and residents don’t work on post call days. Trauma sounded pretty intense. They’re the sole provider of level 1 trauma care between San Francisco and Los Angeles, and the program just added a fourth resident per class. I got the feeling that they needed that fourth resident in order to address the massive volume. It’ll also be big for the call schedule. One huge perk is their onsite hospital gym, which was really nice. I was really pleasantly surprised by this place. If you’re an outdoorsy type who cares a lot about being a part of a positive culture and is looking for a quality operative experience, you’d love it here. It’s not especially academic, though, and you’d better be ready to work.

New Mexico
These were hands down the happiest residents I have been around. The faculty here is clearly concerned with their well-being and makes a significant effort to take good care of them. It shows. The social was by far the best attended of any I’ve been to. It was at a resident’s house and we hung out around a campfire. It seemed like a good portion of the residents’ wives had shown up as well, and when I talked to the wives they all emphasized how happy their husbands were. The residents came from all over the place, and were a pretty outdoorsy bunch. The attendings seem comfortable trusting the residents to get the job done, and provided them with considerable autonomy. They showed us a tremendous amount of respect, too. The program director knew who I was when I showed up at the social, as did one of the chiefs. The next day, the program director gave a brief introduction and one of his main points was that their goal is to prepare residents to be great orthopedic surgeons but also to make sure they have a good work-life balance, I would love working for him. The city itself is at 5,000 feet of elevation and rimmed by foothills. It gets 300 days of sunshine, and even during the winter people are out golfing. It was 50 degrees during the day when I was there, although it did get down into the 20s at night. I was told that during the summer it’s uncommon to top 100 degrees. It looked like you leave civilization pretty quickly when you get out of town. The residents couldn’t stop talking about the skiing around here – there are 8 ski resorts within a 4 hour drive, ranging from a respectable place to get a few runs in within 15 minutes of town to some places that supply them a lot of trauma a little bit further out. There’s also a lot of hiking, stuff to do in the desert, and the Rio Grande River Canyon. Outdoors was cited by just about all of them as a main reason they had chosen to come here. There is a large meth-head population in Albuquerque, which sounds like a major source of their trauma. There is a PGY5, PGY4, PGY3 and two interns on trauma as well as a fellow. Additionally, there are 2 fellows on sports and 1 on hand. But sports has 7 attendings so there’s enough to go around there. They clearly got all of the reps they needed, it sounds like attendings will let the residents fly once they’ve demonstrated that they’re capable. There is a weekly session where device companies bring out their stuff, put on a lab, and pay for drinks for the whole department that turns into a big social hour. That was cited as one of the main reasons they’re such a close group. Research has not traditionally been a strong point but there is ample support staff around to help the residents with their projects. In order to incentivize it, every publication residents put out earns them $1,000. Lifestyle was repeatedly touted as a big perk of the place. The day starts at 6:30 for everyone, including interns, and by the time you’re a senior most weekends are off. Everyone was able to talk at length about the hobbies they were involved in, with skiing and golfing being the most popular. They told us that “we work our asses off while we’re here, we’re extremely efficient, and then we get enough time at home.” I find it hard to imagine there are happier residents anywhere in the country.

North Carolina
The big calling cards of this program are the strong camaraderie and the mentorship model. It was a fun, warm atmosphere, they were extremely close and everyone maintained active lives outside the hospital, which was encouraged by their attendings. The mentorship model begins in PGY2. This means that each resident is paired up with one attending, and sees patients with that attending in clinic as well as operating with them. They are paired up for 10 weeks at a time. Seniors will help the juniors out with stuff because everyone gathers around the same home base in the ortho library, but every resident is doing their own thing. The downside of this is that senior residents are filling out their own discharge papers for all the patients on their attending’s service, and one resident said that they might not get the same operative volume as senior residents that you would on a team-based system. The upside is that as a PGY2, you’re first assisting on everything that attending does and they work with you so frequently that they become intimately familiar with your capabilities, which allows for growth in what you’re trusted with during each case. I didn’t have any experience with a mentorship model, but I viewed it as a major positive for any program that had one. In terms of program philosophy, the program director showed a powerpoint where he said the priorities of the orthopedics department are “1: education, 2: education, 3: education.” Everything they do is built around maximizing resident learning, and he does not view residents as employees, he views them as students. Chapel Hill is a college town with a lot of really fun looking restaurants, bars and breweries. Housing is pretty affordable, too. Each attending has an academic day once per week, and the night before, the PGY2 working with that attending takes overnight call and then has their post-call day off. They said that there’s a considerable amount of variability in the amount of volume you get. Wake is a separate in-house call pool. Currently there are no fellows but they are adding a sports fellow because there are more attendings than there are residents on the sports service right now. There are daily attending-run didactics. There are also some formal education sessions for the interns called kindergarten, and the PGY2s have a 2 week rotation where they focus entirely on teaching the musculoskeletal block of the MS2 curriculum. Fellowship placement was solid. Residents were open about the fact that if you want to pump out a bunch of papers, this isn’t the place to go because they don’t get much logistic support. The majority just do their one required project and call it good there. Their trauma experience comes at Wake in Raleigh which is a 25 minute drive without traffic early in the morning. Coming back from there if you hit rush hour it can be twice that. If the mentorship model jibes with your style and you don’t have a burning desire to be in a big city, then this would be an awesome place. Just be aware of the commute to and from Raleigh for trauma.

OHSU
The vibe was very down-to-earth and easy-going. Essentially aligned with a typical Northwest culture. One resident said "Residency is hard. We don't make it any harder than it has to be." They get a solid operative experience starting in second year, all rotations are centrally located on one campus (main hospital, peds hospital, cancer hospital, VA and Shriners are all connected by skybridges at the top of the hill), their night float covers everything (trauma, spine, hand, peds), amazing views of the city from all of the hospitals, solid lifestyle, and the attendings are all nice. Majority of residents are single. They are a happy group, they get along well, and they have enough time to keep some hobbies. Fellow interference is non-existent. The chairman is incredibly involved in the residency program – shows up for fracture rounds at 6 AM every day including weekends. Very philosophical guy. There is currently a hospital being built at the bottom of the hill where the tram starts. When it’s finished, they will add rotations there, which would necessitate a separate home call pool. Didactics are all resident-run and research resources are pretty scant, so it’s not exactly an academic powerhouse. The location can’t be beat – the Northwest is a beautiful area. Portland is a weird town for sure, but the surrounding area is unbelievably beautiful, there’s tons of opportunities to get outdoors, and there are boatloads of amazing breweries. Housing costs are beginning to become an issue, as Portland is catching the overflow of the tech industry from Seattle and San Francisco. It seemed it was not a gigantic issue for the residents right now, but Portland has some of the fastest rising rent in the country. This would be a great place to spend 5 years learning how to operate and exploring the Pacific Northwest, but if you have ambitions for an academic career it might not be the best fit.

Rothman
The Rothman Institute is a machine, and the residents are integral cogs in that machine. Rothman has over 20 separate locations, there are 87 surgeons listed on their website, and they run a very tight ship. The efficiency is unbelievable. Because it’s essentially a private practice with an academic arm that’s affiliated with Thomas Jefferson University, there is not much trauma. This is also hampered by the fact that Jefferson competes with Penn, Drexel and Temple for trauma patients. Jefferson does have a trauma attending, though, and the residents universally described him as a fantastic teacher during the interview day. In terms of locations, the residency program is centralized around the center city campus, but they also get out to Bryn Mawr for a more community feel, DuPont in Delaware for Peds, Shriners, and some of the Rothman satellites. This unfortunately means the residents do a fair amount of commuting. Most residents live within walking distance of the hospital in Center City and then commute out to other sites as necessary. The residents are a very nice group. The fellowship match list is just stupid, at least in part because there are world famous attendings in multiple fields, especially joints and spine. Lifestyle here is solid. The lack of a robust trauma service means it never gets too crazy, and the incredible efficiency of the operating rooms away from Jefferson means things get done very quickly. There are a ton of fellows in just about everything except trauma, but rotators insisted that there’s so much volume that they really don’t get in the way of the residents. They do a fair amount of business education for the residents since Rothman is a private practice group. People either love Philly or hate it. Research is pushed on the residents, but there is also ample support staff to make it happen. This residency is an interesting opportunity. The residents are not the center of the show here. You’re a cog in a wheel for 5 years, life is great the whole time, and when you leave you can go wherever you want. Trauma is lacking and you’ve gotta be alright with big-city living.

St. Mary’s
San Francisco is obviously an awesome city, and I get the appeal of the place. Logistically, though, I just don’t get how you make this one work. Roughly half of the residency is in Oakland, and roughly half of it is in San Francisco so right off the bat you’re doomed to commute across the bridge half the time. But even when you’re on the right side of the bridge, there’s still a considerable amount of commuting involved because they get farmed out to a bunch of different places. They work at St. Mary’s, Kaiser, Highland, CHO, and Shriner’s in Sacramento. Add to that the fact that San Francisco has horrible traffic and these residents are spending a lot of their time sitting in their cars. Another issue was the fact that the rent in San Francisco is astronomical. That makes life difficult for the tech workers making 6 figures. On a resident’s salary, it’s a whole different ballgame. They get a $3,500 per year housing stipend, but their salaries are pretty low. If you add the stipend to the salary, they’re making the same as residents in the two Dallas programs I interviewed at. That’s crazy. In terms of the actual program, I didn’t learn as much about it as I did other places because they didn’t do a presentation in the morning. I just showed up 15 minutes before my interview was scheduled to start and then left afterwards. Pretty California heavy group. A lot of California kids refer to it as a hidden gem because they like San Francisco so much. Definitely slanted towards single residents. They field primary call at five hospitals, all of them are separate call pools, and they only have 15 residents, so do the math. Everything is home call, and the residents estimated they come in on about 40% of nights. Majority of the trauma work comes in Oakland at Highland, which is a level 2 trauma center. No fellows. Tons of operative autonomy, if the residents show confidence they are allowed to fly. All didactics are resident run. Fellowship placement is absurd for a community program like this. They have put someone into every elite sports fellowship you can think of. It’s online, seriously, look it up, it’s unreal. I think this program is summed up by the fact that so many of the residents in the program are from California. This is a good place to go if you absolutely love San Francisco.

Stanford
About as academic as one would assume. Interview was pretty intense and impersonal. The residents, however, were very engaging, eager to answer any questions I had, and proud of their program. It’s Silicone Valley so there are lots of young rich smart people out driving around in Teslas and it’s a beautiful city. There are palm trees everywhere, you’re within a short drive of the beach and good hiking, and a 5 hour drive away from good skiing. The tradeoff, obviously, is that it’s so expensive. Housing was described to me as “doable, but you have to dig around to find things.” One resident said "it's tough to make ends meet.” Anyone with a family would struggle to make it work here, and there are only 3 residents in the program with kids (7 residents per year). There is a $500 per month housing subsidy provided by the university, as well as a $3000 moving allowance. The chairman will be the AAOS president in 2017-2018. Sounds like he is not involved much with the day-to-day affairs of residents, but when it comes time to apply for fellowships he is able to pull some serious weight. He also has pulled some serious weight in recruiting big-name attendings to come to Stanford, for instance the former program director from Carolinas who is just starting there. The program director was spoken of very highly. He is very responsive to resident input. This is how they got a night float system. In years past that had been a big concern because residents were formerly taking “home call” and then working post-call days. Total game changer for them to move to the night float system. There are a lot of fellows, and it seemed like that might create an issue for the operative experience for the residents, particularly on joints, spine and trauma. The Valley was repeatedly stressed as the main place where they get operative reps. One resident said that “Stanford is where we learn how to do operations, and the Valley is where we do them.” It was unclear how much residents get to do on each service at Stanford Hospital as well as how much the fellows impact the resident experience, and that was my main concern. Fellowship placement was mind-blowing. Every single person was going somewhere insane. The hospital they’re in is really nice, and they’re building a brand new one. There will be 70 ORs when they’re done, and they told the chairman he could have all 21 at the original hospital but he turned them down so he could have the ones in the new building. Plenty of research opportunities available, and most residents get a lot done. If you are single, wouldn’t mind bunking up with some roommates, and think that a career in academics is in the cards for you, then this would be right up your alley.

Utah
This is what every academic program should strive to be. The didactics are perfect, I can’t imagine anyone managing to teach residents better. The residents were stupid smart, and could rattle off answers to pimp questions like nobody’s business. The attendings were passionate about education. Salt Lake City is the coolest city in the world. There’s world class skiing within a half hour of the city, it’s absolutely beautiful, the culture is laid back, and the city is spacious. Unfortunately there are separate call pools for trauma, peds, and the VA, and anytime a spine trauma comes in the senior resident on spine is required to staff it instead of the night float. Additionally, there are a ton of fellows, and this pretty significantly impacted the resident operative experience. While Utah doesn’t sound like a big name, the program’s reputation is very elite, and the fellowship matches aligned with that reputation. All of the rotations are clustered on one hill so the residents never have to leave that area. If you want to be at a place where you’ll learn orthopedic literature inside out, crush the OITEs, get whatever fellowship you want, and leave open the possibility of being a bigtime academic surgeon then you won’t find anything better than this. Bonus points if you’re big into outdoor activities. If you want to learn by doing, you’ll be able to find places that will give you more opportunities to get your hands dirty.

UTSW
If all you care about is trauma, then you won’t find anything much better than this. Felt like a real work hard-play hard type of group. Almost had a frat-like feel to it. They definitely prided themselves on how hard they work. There was a board in the resident call room where all of the PGY2s tally the number of consults they’ve seen in the year, and they were all pushing 500 by interview season. Brand new chairman just took over and has a pretty grand vision for the department. They hired 6 new faculty in the last year, and the chairman put up a slide showing that he wanted to add 7 more faculty in the next year. There’s also a merger underway with another health system, and additional facilities are being built. Trauma seemed to not just be their strongest suit, but also their identity. There are 5 trauma attendings and I got the definite vibe that all of them are very busy. All of the trauma happens at Parkland. There’s so much trauma coming in that they have two separate trauma services. There is a PGY2 and a PGY4 on each of these services, and the operative experience is generally centered around the PGY4 teaching the PGY2 how to do the case. I heard this described as “trickle-down” education. The senior residents take a lot of pride in the junior residents, especially the PGY4s with the PGY2s since they essentially teach them everything. The PGY2s play a big role in the weekly Wednesday conferences and I was told that it was not uncommon on Tuesdays for the PGY2s to operate late into the day, take care of rounding afterwards, and then pull an all-nighter before Wednesday morning conference so they could pull together their case presentations. Research is available, but the residents work so much that they don’t have time for it. The requirement for resident research publications has also been increased from 1 to 2. When the PGY2 on our tour talked about this he wasn’t sure how they were going to accomplish that because they “already work the maximum hours in a day” and they don’t have any protected research time. All rotations are in Dallas: New Parkland, Old Parkland, Scottish Rite, (a very highly regarded orthopedics-only pediatric hospital), VA, Children’s, and two UTSW hospitals (Clements and Zale). They just built new Parkland Hospital and it lives up to the reputation of Texans liking big stuff. There’s an option to go to Norwich, England during PGY5 year which is dependent on OITE scores and research publication. During the social I was sitting with several other applicants who hadn’t rotated and the residents never made an effort to talk to any of us. We were told that a big part of their applicant selection process is essentially proving that you can handle their workload, so non-rotators need to come back for a second look to have a chance. I elected not to do this. If trauma is what matters to you, you’re going to be hard-pressed to find a place where you’ll get more of it than here. And you’ll become a part of a brotherhood in the process. You won’t do much else for 5 years, though.

Yale
I had concerns coming into this one that it would be an elitist, pretentious, Ivy League environment and that couldn’t have been more inaccurate. Very easy-going, friendly, warm, collegial, and inviting. The residents were cracking jokes amongst themselves throughout the entire introduction talk, the attendings I interviewed with were all very interested in getting to know me as a person, and the overall vibe was fantastic. Applicants who had done subinternships there insisted that I was getting the right read on the place, that there was no hint of Ivy League pretentiousness, and that the residents were a great group who had a solid relationship with the attendings. Described repeatedly as a “resident-run program”, meaning that residents make a lot of the decisions about the program. This included setting their own call schedule, deciding which speakers to invite to give guest grand rounds, and which changes would be made over time. This is generally viewed as a positive aspect of the program because you have a lot of autonomy, but it does also carry some extra administrative responsibilities as a senior resident. Yale has only had 2 chairmen in their approximately 50 year history, and the second one just stepped down although he has stuck around and continued practicing. Residents were a very diverse group. Self-described as a little nerdy, which was fairly accurate, however they were all personable, outgoing and energetic. They universally seemed happy and were very open about all aspects of the program. For call, interns have night float and run the floor. PGY3’s have q4 24 hour shifts where they take consults overnight, then have their post-call day off. Sounded like all of the single residents lived in a couple apartment complexes that were within walking distance of the hospital while the married residents either rented or owned homes about a 10-15 minute commute out of the city in more suburban areas. There was a gigantic lineup of food trucks directly outside the hospital that blew my mind. Residents insisted they usually had time to grab food at the food trucks between cases. It must have been a quarter mile of food trucks parked end to end. It was unbelievable. Anything you could think of, there was a food truck there cooking it up. I cannot emphasize enough how amazing that lineup was. It influenced my rank list more than it should have. They get a ton of trauma because New Haven is at the intersection of all the main highways between New York and Boston, and this dropped a lot of MVC’s on their doorstep. Apparently there’s so much volume that roughly 30% of cases go uncovered. There is one trauma fellow. They have a second hospital, St. Raphael’s, which I was told was within 5 minutes of the main hospital. All of the elective cases are transitioning over there. Everyone emphasized operative experience as a strength of the program. In the words of one of the chief residents, “I don’t know how many repetitions you need to be good at basic orthopedic procedures, but whatever that number is, I know that I’ve hit it.” Applicants who had rotated here agreed that the operative experience was solid, with good early opportunities and graduated responsibility. The seniors typically run their services entirely independently, too. There is a feeling-out process where the attendings ensure that the senior has everything under control, but once they trust them, it becomes a “call me if you need me” relationship and they’re allowed to run the show. They only addressed fellowship placement by showing the highlights, but they had been pretty successful. Ample opportunities to conduct research thanks to 10 week research rotations in third, fourth, and fifth year. Additionally, the residents at Yale get paid absurdly well for living in New Haven. They have to have the best cost of living:salary ratio in the country. If working in a blue collar program with a white collar name sounds appealing to you, you’ll get that along with a tremendous lifestyle thanks to the research rotations and the salary. And seriously – those food trucks are amazing.
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Anybody have an experience with UT Dell?
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Yes, I researched my away's extensively and thought they were all a good fit. Unfortunately you just never know until you get there. One program was one that my advisor highly recommended and I just kind of went with it. Your best info will be people that have graduated from your med school and are now in an ortho residency. Cal them and ask them about their program. Go places where you really want to match at,
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Thanks for the info!

Regarding your aways: do you just wish you would have tried finding out more info beforehand?
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Med School: Southeast
Boards: Step 1: 245-250 Step 2= 270+
Rank:
AOA: Yes
Preclinicals: Pass (p/f system)
Clinicals: Honors
Ortho: Honors
Aways: 2 in my region and one out of region. Rotating to open up a region does not work well in my opinion.
Research: 1 poster (This hurt my application bad, do research.)

What I was looking for in a Program: A place that would take me, autonomy and operative heavy. Tired of holding the hooks.


How many Programs:
Applied to: 90
Offered Interviews: 9
Attended: 9

Tier 1:
Baylor Houston: Impressive program that is very operative heavy. Pretty much all floor and clinic work as a 1-2 but after that they let you fly. Big name facilities w/ MD Anderson and Texas Children’s. Good group of residents and a fun social. Pretty sure you could do anything coming out of here. Negative: Houston, the definition of urban sprawl and I just didn’t feel like I would love living there.

Ochsner Clinic: Operative heavy community program where residents are in the OR from day one. As a 4 and 5 you spend six months at a community hospital about 45 minutes south of New Orleans (housing is provided). You and one other resident are THE orthopedists at the hospital while you are there. You run your own clinic and book your own cases. You are primary surgeon with a PA assisting you on your cases. Like joints? Book more joints cases. Enjoy sports? Do more arthroscopy. The fours and fives here were the best operators I saw on the trail likely due to the amazing opportunity they have at Chabert. Plus one: Mardi Gras is a hospital holiday i.e. no scheduled cases. Plus five:New Orleans food and music scene.

Orlando Health: Big trauma center in central Florida with an up and coming research focus. PD and Chairman are boss and would be a lot of fun to work with. Super cool group of residents, they clearly like to have a good time which I like. Sweet resident room in hospital. Plus one: Resident room with weight set. Minus One: Orlando, too much Disney for me.

Tier 2:
VCU: Really nice program I felt that it was a blend between community and academic. Really nice facilities and a good group of residents. Richmond is an up and coming town with lots of outdoor stuff to do and a great beer scene. Minus one: Needing to grow a beard to fit in with the richmondites.

USF: Coolest group of residents on the trail they all really get along well and hang out outside of work. Nice facilities in Tampa General and abundant research opportunities, residents get great fellowships. Huge negative to me was the quantity of fellows that they had. I’m talking 2-3 in every specialty. This clearly hurt their operative experience. I really wanted to rank them highly but the fellow situation was not what I was interested in getting into. Would be a great place to be a fellow. Plus one: Excellent OR music selections.

Loyola: Rotated here and really wanted to like their program. Faculty were awesome and fun to work with in the OR. No fellows which was nice but I still thought their operative experience was just above average. Heavy trauma but not sure how hands on they were as I did not rotate on that service. Nice resident room where people would hang during down time. Mixed bag of residents, some were really cool and some were not. Nothing against women in ortho residencies but there were almost too many here which seemed to throw off the vibe.

University of New Mexico: Really enjoyed my time at this interview. Busy level 1 trauma center the only one in the state. Really cool group of residents that go skiing, camping, hiking together. Dr. Treme is the man and you can tell he really selects a good group of residents. Albuquerque just didn’t have enough young professional scene for me or it would have been very high on my list.

Temple: Strange social in the school of medicine kind of threw off the vibe a little. Temple is in one of the deepest darkest hoods in the US which provides ample penetrating trauma experience. Lots of out of town driving rotations which I did not fancy too much. Plus one: Cheesesteaks. Minus One: Grumpy Philly people.

SUNY Downstate: Good penetrating trauma experience at Kings County. Have a feeling that this program is sort of rebuilding now and may be stronger in a few years. Lots of driving in between sites and high cost of living put this lower on my list. PD is a downright cool dude. Minus One: my hangover during this interview


NOT RANKED: None, don't be stupid kids.

Matched at: Number one choice, did away there.

Advice for future applicants:
Choose aways wisely, two of mine were ranked 5 and 6 on my list. That kind of hurts. Work hard and be humble. Do research, not having much hurt me.
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Let me start by saying thanks to everyone in the past for posting on this forum. Every year I looked forward to these posts and I'm happy to return the favor. I encourage others who have benefited from this thread in the past to contribute as well! It's easy to be anonymous and professional.

Med School: Northeast (Not top 50)
Boards: Step 1: 250-260 Step 2: 250-260 (Took July 2016)
Rank: Top Quartile
AOA: No
Preclinicals: P/F
Clinicals: All Honors 3rd & 4th year
Ortho: Honors in all away rotations and home (3 away, 1 home)

Aways: 1 Midwest, 2 East Coast

Research: 10-15 ERAS "Publications", including podium presentations, abstracts, and journal publications.

Extracurriculars:
-College Athlete
-Tons of community service/Leadership+Gold Humanism

What I was looking for in a Program:
-Geographically, wanted a big city but was willing to compromise for exceptional training.
-Wanted to be around well-rounded, nice, charismatic, thoughtful residents that I admired. Didn't want to be around bros as much. As a female, wanted a place that consistently took women.
-Reputation: Wanted a place that I felt was on the rise and could potentially be even stronger after 5 years.
-Wanted a program that was strong in joints, spine, sports and hand. Was willing to compromise on peds and trauma. Tried to do my homework on fellowship in those particular areas, as fellowship reputation changes quickly
-Wanted some semblance of work/life balance and was willing to compromise on trauma a bit for that

How many Programs:
Applied to: 81
Offered Interviews: 44
Attended: 14

I really liked how one of the the previous posters avoided the tier approach. I don't have much to offer with respect to advice because EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT IS SO DIFFERENT! Everyone has different priorities and I promise you that if you took 15 people, you would get 15 different rank lists (and many different #1's). I do however think it's valuable to separate it into tiers, because it gives insight into how programs are perceived for future applicants. I liked every place that I visited:

Places I LOVED (Alphabetical Order):


Carolinas
Pros: "This place is incredible". That is basically what all of us applicants said when I was on the interview day and what I've heard from other rotators on the trail. I didn't get the chance to rotate here but I was totally blown away on interview day. At the pre-interview dinner, the residents were warm, interested, engaged and fun, probably the group of residents I admired the most on the trail. Carolinas has a very strong relationship with OrthoCarolina. OrthoCarolina has some of the strongest joints, spine and F&A fellowships in the country. They appear to have a large catch area for trauma and there's no real indication that Peds or tumor is a weakness. One of their F&A docs is head doc of the Panthers! Dr. Hanley is retiring as chief, but this is one of those programs that doesn't rebuild, they reload. They do privademic as well as anyone and their residents are very well educated in the business of medicine. The mentorship model sounds fantastic, and allows their residents to really gain confidence and grow relationships. They have copious elective time which allows their senior residents to enjoy a "mini-fellowship" in their desired field. Couple that with the fact that they have a reputation for taking excellent care of their residents and you end up with arguably the most well-balanced program in the country.
Cons: I was hoping for a bigger city than Charlotte, but I really liked what I saw on interview day. They didn't invite a ton of rotators back for interviews (I heard different stats but the most common was 50%), I thought that was strange.


Harvard
Pros: Big name but refreshingly not a big ego. The nicest group of residents I met anywhere on the trail, and for such a big group of people they still maintain a family vibe. Everything that has been said about this place is true. There are no specialty areas of weakness at Harvard (and in fact, I think their residents were very well trained in trauma). Dr. Dyer is adored by all of the residents and seems very responsive to feedback. The program has a graduated operative experience and interns are taught to medically manage patients before operating (this was a plus for me). Wednesday CORE didactics seem to be a great way to break up the week for the residents. Felt like the residents here loved the science of orthopaedics more than anywhere else I visited.
Cons: Large group of very different people, so my favorite residents were at Harvard but so were my least favorite. Brigham and MGH are huge hospitals and while ortho is strong, other departments are stronger. Boston is an expensive city and Harvard doesn't subsidize. Classic academic center, so operative experience and efficiency are issues.
Interview experience: Three 25 minute interviews, with 2 faculty each. Since most ortho interviews are 10-15 minutes, these felt like an eternity. Two 12 minute interviews with each chief room and one 12 minute interview with the executive room (PD, + chairs of Brigham, MGH, Boston Children’s, BI). No skill rooms, mostly conversational with some classic “ interview” questions. There was a bus tour of Boston which I thought was really cool. Didn’t get to speak to and know the residents as well on the interview day but the pre-interview social was fantastic and a great opportunity to meet them.


HSS
Pros: When you're there, you understand what all the fuss is about. Strongest orthopaedic reputation in the country, seated on the upper east side of Manhattan, with ~$800 rent (pre-tax). I could fill this entire section with perks alone! People sometimes complain that they don't operate here but they get autonomy in Queens (as 2's and 4's) and the Bronx. They also seem to get more autonomy than people think at HSS (on certain services) and without a doubt get more reps than most places due to sheer volume alone. Of all the rumors I'd heard about this place, the "fellow-centered" one was probably the least accurate. Residents are treated better here than anywhere else I saw, chiefs make the OR schedule for residents AND fellows, and it's extremely rare to see any double scrubbing. The residents are a really humble group and while they seem to have a decent # of former athletes it's definitely more of a cerebral group than meatheads. Probably the happiest group of residents I met on the trail (very hard to assess since I felt most ortho residents were really happy). Huge name attendings in every single specialty along with the HSS brand...
Cons: NYC isn't for everyone. VIP patients can affect the operative experience (more than fellowship encroachment for sure). Short white coats for 4 years. Research seems to be encouraged pretty strongly.
Interview Experience: One of those interviews where they respect your time. You’re only expected to be there 3-4 hours at most. In between interview rooms, residents come and speak to you in the resident library, all extremely nice and encouraging (which is helpful). A challenging and stressful interview with themed rooms. The pre-interview dinner was extremely well attended with nearly every applicant there (rare), a ton of faculty, and most residents.

Rush
Pros: I'd heard great things about this place and it really lived up to the hype. I wanted a place that was on the rise and Rush absolutely is. Huge names in nearly every subspecialty. Besides Carolinas, people raved about this place more than anywhere else on the trail. Dr. Kogan was my favorite PD that I met on the trail and the residents seemed to love her. Added a Peds rotation at Northwestern's children's hospital that the residents raved about and recently added a trauma attending as well. Incredibly elective experience, particularly in Sports, Joints and Spine. Dr. Della Valle is incoming AAHKS President, Dr. Bush-Joseph is incoming AOSSM president and Dr. Romeo is arguably the biggest name in shoulder right now and is ASES president. Residents are very well taken care of, with perks only exceeded by HSS. Rumor is that trauma is weak but the residents spend time at Rockford as a 4 (and possibly a 5, it wasn't totally clear on the interview). Residents were a very happy, close group that seemed to have a lot of fun during the interview day.
Cons: Could be stronger in peds and trauma. I didn't see any women in their last two classes. Have to move for 2 months as 4 (and possibly 5)
Interview Experience: You’re assigned either AM or PM, which is nice because you’re either done by noon or you get to sleep in. Advertised as a pretty laid back interview day but most of us thought it was a challenging interview. 5 10 minute interview rooms with some specific theme rooms. Lots of residents in the space between interviews, a good chance to get to know the residents. One of the nicest pre-interview dinners on the trail, very well attended by residents.

Stanford:
Pros: Awesome program that is rapidly expanding. Dr. Maloney will be president of the Academy 2017-2018 and he is expanding and recruiting quickly. This program has a strong emphasis on education and you can see that through Dr. Avedian, Dr. Bishop and Dr. Frick among many others. Big fancy name, gorgeous brand new hospital that will be ready when the intern 2018ers start (possibly earlier?). There was a nice presentation on research and while it doesn't have the same research reputation as other powerhouses, I definitely felt that an interested resident could be extremely productive here. One of the more relaxing and chill interview days on the trail. Very nice, chill group of residents, all of whom were really proud and happy to be at Stanford.
Cons: Was probably the only program that I loved that had the reputation as being hard working. Palo Alto can be pricey, and is a suburb.
Interview Experience: 4 themed rooms, by far the most casual of all the themed rooms that I experienced (many of my interviewees said that UCSF’s was structured similarly but very unforgiving). Attendings were encouraging in every room and a few even gave feedback after interview was over.

Places I REALLY liked (random order)



Northwestern
Pros: Gorgeous facilities in a fancy part of Chicago. Dr. Beal (PD) seemed genuinely invested in resident education and most people on the trail who rotated there said great things about him. Dr. Peabody (Chair) is a big deal in tumor and based on previous posts has done a great job of making this an elite orthopaedic hospital (ranked #6 by US News if that means anything to anyone). Drs. Gryzlo, Terry and Bowen are the team docs for the Cubs, Blackhawks and Bears respectively and have great sports connections for fellowships. Lurie’s children offers a great Peds experience. Nice group of residents, the chiefs in particular were all charismatic people and I loved my interview with them. A program that is on the rise for sure.
Cons: Several rotators expressed concerns about operative experience, even if they really liked the program overall. On interview day, they conceded that they still have room to improve in research infrastructure (and they’re working on it). Northwestern is level 1 trauma but it’s not exactly UT Houston.
Interview Experience: 4 interviews, all rooms had at least 3 people in them. Didn’t appear to be themed rooms but a lot of classic interview questions. Pre-interview dinner was at a bar in a nice part of the city. One of the least formal pre-interview dinners. Residents (and applicants) probably had more fun at this social than anywhere else.


WashU
Pros: Long considered the best training experience in the country and I think there’s reason to believe this is still true. Dr. Klein (PD) is committed to resident education but just as importantly, Dr. Wright (former PD) still clearly is intimately involved in resident education. During interview day we got a chance to see didactics and I was extremely impressed with the residents and the relationships they had with WashU attendings. Recently added 2 residents (from 6 to 8) but there’s clearly enough volume to go around. Research opportunities are plentiful and they said they have the more NIH $ than any other ortho hospital on interview day. Absolutely no areas of specialty weakness.
Cons: Didn’t really vibe with the residents. Didn’t have the work/life balance I wanted. St. Louis
Interview Experience: 6 rooms (I think) with 2 attendings and 1 resident in each room. No themes, every attending just wanted to get to know me. The pre-interview dinner was pretty standard, decently well attended, but I don’t think I fit in here.


University of Washington

Pros: Awesome group of residents. It’s clear from the moment you get there that they prioritize personality because they went 100% with great people. Dr. Hanol (PD) is extremely thoughtful and honest and doesn’t pretend to have a perfect program but agrees that no one does. They’re so strong in trauma that it almost seems like residents don’t feel like they have to do a fellowship in it. Very strong in hand as well. Awesome teamwork, incredibly positive vibes, felt like everyone there wanted to be there and ranked it #1.
Cons: Too much trauma. I felt like they had areas of specialty weakness. Self-advertised work hard program.
Interview experience: Only interview with both a pre and post interview social. Dr. Hanol’s boathouse was awesome and his wife was incredibly hospitable and accommodating. It was a great chance to get to know the residents but if you miss it, you’ll still have another chance during the actual interview day and the POST interview social. A lot of classic interview questions but some of my favorite (and more thoughtful) interview questions on the trail.


Duke
Pros: Not just an orthopedic residency but a fraternity/sorority and a family. The alumni network is incredible and it’s obvious from the fellowship matches that they are plugged everywhere. Research galore, basic science, clinical and public health. Great sports coverage, gorgeous facilities and Duke runs the show-and not just the hospital but the city/region.
Cons: Durham. Very specific culture that you have to buy into (I actually liked it but definitely not for everyone). Operative experience is questionable and it didn’t seem like they tried to hide it. Move to Atlanta for Peds
Interview Experience: 3 rooms, 1 attending in each, roughly 20 minutes each. Mostly conversational. Didn’t see a ton of residents during interview day but the ones I met were great. Best interview lunch on the trail by far.

Cleveland Clinic

Pros: One of the top Orthopedic hospitals in the country (US News #3 if that means anything to you) awesome team coverage (Indians, Cavs) as they joked that they only cover winning sports teams since University Hospital takes care of the Browns. No specialty weaknesses at all, and incredible matches. They don’t discriminate against students from lower ranking medical schools and even have Osteopathic and IMG residents. Very nice, wholesome group of residents.
Cons: Cleveland (although way better than advertised). Didn’t vibe with chair at all.
Interview Experience: Smallest interview day on the trail, as there were only 10-12 of us. 4-5 rooms, classic interview style qs.


Places I liked (random order)



Cincinatti
Affordable, underrated city. Residents seemed very kind and genuine. Peds is clearly strong here and Cincinatti has one of the strongest ED departments in the country, as the residents suggested that made their lives easier. Joints is probably the biggest weakness right now but apparently they’re adding a private practice rotation. This isn’t a research institution.

Jefferson
Nicest pre-interview dinner on the trail. Very well attended by applicants, faculty and residents. Probably passed up WashU as best shoulder in the country. Up there for spine and joints as well. Match list was incredible. Very friendly work/life balance. Efficiency was a priority and the interview day was done by 12.
Trauma and peds are weak, and it seems like they’re fine that way. Didn’t vibe with attendings or residents during interview day.

UChicago
Overshadowed by Rush and Northwestern in Chicago. New level 1 trauma center but they spent more time talking about how it wasn’t going to hurt training than talking about how it might HELP training. Didn’t really get to know the residents. There was a post-interview social that was poorly attended. Didn’t vibe with attendings very much.


Baylor
Well-respected program, residents seem to get great fellowships and are well trained. MD Anderson across the street ensures good tumor training. Ben Taub is a gem, and the VA appears to be where residents really get their feet wet.
They’re not weak in trauma but UT Houston clearly is the trauma show in town. Houston isn’t my cup of tea

NOT ABLE TO ATTEND and/or CANCELLED
Loyola,Miami,Loma Linda,Henry Ford,Iowa,Michigan,UT Austin,SIU,UCSF Fresno,Beaumont,GW,Einstein (NY),Wayne State,Ohio State,UCLA-Harbor,Cedars,Boston University,LSU New Orleans,SUNY Brooklyn,Utah,UCSD,Temple,UC Irvine,Maryland,Howard,Maimonides,Wake Forest,Colorado


NOT RANKED
Ranked every program I interviewed at (I've seen close friends go through the reapplication process-it's one of the hardest and most stressful times of your life. Rank every program).

Matched at: #1

Advice for future applicants:

This is where I have the least to offer. I saw so many different applicants with different strengths match this year that it changed my view of what a “good” applicant is. The best advice I can give is to find as many residents or recently matched applicants that remind you of yourself and ask them what they did. Then, ask yourself what is unique about yourself, and highlight that in your application/during interviews.
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I used this feed as well last year, and I had a pretty unique story this year, so i figured that I would share to hopefully help out the future applicants.

Med School: Texas school, not a top 50 and not an Ortho powerhouse,
Boards: Step 1: 250 Step 2: 259 (took in July, was available to programs)
Rank: Top 5%
AOA: Senior
Preclinicals: P on P/F scale
Clinicals: Honors in all clerkships
Ortho: Honors on all 3 aways, we do home rotations as a 3rd year and contributes towards our Surgery clerkship grade
Aways: 3, all of my advice was to stay in the South, and so I did. Two well known and reputable schools in the south with a work-hard mentality but some academic flair, and one smaller program.
Research: 2 published ortho papers in smaller journals, one as first author. A third paper submitted by the time applications went out
Extracurriculars: Collegiate rugby, lots of volunteering and medical mission stuff, Gold Humanism, etc.

What I was looking for in a Program: I really just wanted a program that was well-rounded and would offer me the opportunity to pursue whatever fellowship I wanted. I wanted to leave residency with enough connections that I wouldn't be limited in my fellowship search. I wanted strong didactics and stronger operative experience, research wasn't as important to me, though I am happy to participate as a means to an end. I prefer a family-friendly environment and really enjoy a strong sense of camaraderie in a program. I plan on pursing private orthopaedics in the end, so operative skill was placed at a premium.


How many Programs:
Applied to: 72
Offered Interviews: 24
Attended: 13 (Caveat: I attempted to make every night-before social as an opportunity to truly get to know the program and to see how the fit was. There were plenty of scheduling conflicts, but I also didn't do any back-to-backs if they prevented me from missing a night before social).

In random order:

UT Southwestern (6 residents per year): take 6-10 rotators per month during high season. Very hands on rotation, spend a lot of time in the OR/on consults. Program is run so that 2nd and 4th years are partnered up on each service, and the 2 runs most of the service. Pay your dues as a 2 with very heavy hours, so that you can have a little better lifestyle as a senior resident. Definitely trauma heavy at Parkland Hospital, but all subspecialties represented well. New Chair Dr Wukich hired from UPMC last year and has made it his mission to beef up the academics, requiring certain percentile scores on the OITE to moonlight, etc. Residents are very close with one another, especially within each residency class. Very camaraderie-based program, residents have a big say in who gets interviewed. Take back probably 75% of rotators for interviews, and PD Dr. Gill mentioned that they favor Texas applicants, but especially rotators from Texas. Night float system for call. 3rd year rotation lasting 6 months at Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Peds, meant to be “mini fellowship.” Research is definitely not a focus of the program overall, but more of a push that way since the new Chair arrived. Option to spend 3 months of 4th year in England acting as a “junior attending,” with housing paid for by the program. Most recent graduates obtaining their 1st or 2nd fellowship choice. One trauma fellow, as well as many fellows on Peds while at TSRH, but very little fellow interference, as this is definitely a resident-first program. Current weaknesses: probably Sports and Hand, with recent turnover in both, but at the interview day, mentioned 2 upcoming hires this year in each subspecialty, so that remains to be seen. BOTTOM LINE: great Texas program with a definite emphasis on operative skill, with Trauma being the big selling point. Probably not the place to choose if you want to churn out research projects, though the opportunities are available if you’re willing to put the work in.

Vanderbilt (5 residents per year): take approximately 10-12 rotators per month during high season. Hard working rotation, be prepared to come early and stay late, especially if you rotate on trauma (the most hands-on for a med student rotator). Changed their away interviewing this past year, now interview all rotators at the end of their away rotation. Pros to this: don’t need to pay to fly back for an interview, program also won’t learn much about you in one day that they couldn’t over the course of a month, and vice versa. Cons: won’t have full CV or Letters of Rec when they interview you, and they also mention that they will not have any contact with you after the away, prior to rank list being finalized, so you will never know exactly where you stand with them. As for the program, very hard-working with a definite academic flair. Didactics for 1 hour every morning, always attending-led, definitely very strong. They pride themselves on their ability to think through complex problems and list of the classifications of everything, as well as their strong basis in basic science. Another benefit of these didactics is the camaraderie built by having the entire residency together 5x/week for an hour. Call is pretty brutal here. One 2nd or 3rd year is in-house with a senior back-up at home, and the resident on call covers the main hospital, Children’s Hospital and VA every night. Even though all three are on the same “campus,” it’s a solid 10 minute jog from one to the next, and often times consults are building up in one while you take care of the other. As a resident, you won’t sleep at all, but will get a post call day. As a rotator, you won’t sleep at all, and you will also be expected to work the whole next day, which can be exhausting, but make sure not to complain or show that you are tired (if possible). Every resident seemed truly excellent, both operatively and academically, and the residents come from all over the country and are not just from Ivy League-type schools. Fellowships of choice seem fairly easy to obtain here because the Vanderbilt name has been well developed, and their graduates perform elsewhere. 2 Fellows on trauma, 1 on hand, one on oncology, not completely sure about other subspecialties, though interference is minimal and many fellows were very helpful to both residents and students with their teaching. Limitations: very few, however work/life balance definitely suffers here secondary to the pride they take in working hard and killing themselves, and the schedule doesn’t get much easier as a senior resident. BOTTOM LINE: excellent program in a hard-working environment with the resources to allow you to obtain whatever you want in the future. Definitely must be willing to work extremely hard to fit in here.

Tulane (3 residents per year): 2-3 rotators per month, with 1-2 home students during high season. Rotation consists of 1 week on 4 different services. The benefits of this being that you get to meet most people in the program, and work with most of the faculty in some capacity. Call is split in the major hospital (UMC) with LSU New Orleans with each program taking every other night of call. Technically every night is home call, though you spend more time at home on nights when you are on call at Tulane vs. nights at UMC which are much busier. The program itself is a bit in flux at this time, moving from 4 residents/year before Katrina, and then went down to 2 before accepting 3/year again. The Chair, Dr Savoie, a big name in the Sports world, particularly with Shoulder and Elbow, is pushing to bring the residency back to 4/year and to stabilize it. He has improved the program greatly since taking over, improving didactics and expects a lot of his residents. Didactics are once a week on Tuesday nights for 4 hours, and are usually split between resident-led vs. attending-led, with some case based presentations from each service. The Trauma service is probably the most hands-on of all of the services, and the PD, Dr. Gladden is well known in the South and mostly only scrubs the complex trauma cases. There is 1 Sports fellow who rotates through from the program at University of Mississippi, but the program does not otherwise have any interference from fellows. Most residents are former Tulane med school graduates, but I was told that they have plans to veer away from that path and are encouraging more rotators each year. With Dr. Savoie’s investment in his residents, and the weight that he holds (particularly in the sports world), recent residents have obtained great fellowships, though it may be harder to obtain them outside of Sports. Weaknesses: the program is still very much in flux, and is still trying to get their rotation schedule optimized. Hand also seems to be a weakness here, with most operative experience being done with private practice surgeons in the city, though they have plans to hire a full time hand faculty member soon. BOTTOM LINE: strong program in the South that is on the rise, with may opportunities available, but still in flux and should improve vastly over the next few years.

Mayo Clinic (12 residents per year): Not a very rotator-heavy program, especially for being one of the biggest names in orthopaedics. Amount of residents who were former rotators varies from class to class, with the most being 6/12 in one current class, while another class has 0/12. They do 1 interview day, invite about 75-80 people with a mix of rotators and non-rotators. Rochester, MN is a small town, with the bulk of the population involved somehow in the Mayo clinic. The program definitely highlights its family-friendly nature with most residents being married, and many with kids. Probably not the program for someone single or preferring a big city, though Minneapolis/St. Paul are only approximately 45 minutes away and have all of the big city amenities. Rochester is also very cold, though there is an elaborate “subway” system which can take you basically anywhere around the Mayo clinic without needing to ever step outside. Beyond the obvious prestige of the Mayo name, this program offers some of the best opportunities available in orthopaedics. The program completely follows a mentorship model, where at every level, the resident is one-on-one with one of the biggest names in each subspecialty. The faculty obviously expects different things from junior vs. senior residents, but you remain one-on-one throughout. This opportunity is unique, and obviously has its benefits. The drawback to this would probably be the lack of uniformity in each resident’s experience, as not every resident will work with every faculty member during their residency. The program is VERY resident-first, with the opportunity to tailor your experience from day one. For example, there are 3 opportunities for 3 month rotations away from Rochester (Shock Trauma in Baltimore, a Sports rotation at Mayo Jacksonville and a Peds Rotation in FL as well). The rotations are all paid for by the program, with housing, transportation, etc. included. There are advisory meetings early on to discuss your future goals, and the PD Dr Turner is very flexible and helpful in tailoring your experience. Fellows are present in virtually every subspecialty, as is the norm at any “big name” program, but with the mentorship model, your only interaction with them is if you want to learn something from them. Many will take you through approaches and dissections on cadavers which are available pretty much on-demand, which is a unique experience. The facilities themselves are world-class, and there are limitless opportunities here. Research, operative experience and academics are about as good as you can get anywhere. The opportunities for research in anything are available, but I didn’t get the sense that it was really forced upon anyone. They also seem to be just as fine with one of their residents going private practice as they are with those going into academics. Weaknesses: not many from what I saw, outside of the obvious: Rochester. If you are single, want a very trauma heavy experience (though the Shock Trauma rotation takes care of that), or want a big-city experience, Mayo may not be for you. BOTTOM LINE: A program considered one of the best in the country for a reason, very strong in every facet with hands-on experience offered because of the true mentorship model.

Wash U (8 residents per year): Kind of an irregular rotator experience with rotators being able to come and go as they please, with rotations anywhere from 1-4 weeks long, and no official curriculum. Because of this, they usually get approximately 45 rotators, who they interview at the end of their rotation, and then another 90 or so on 3 interview dates for their 8 spots. This program is another prestigious one with limitless opportunities and a good combination of operative experience alongside academics and research. I got the feeling that research was a little bit more “encouraged” than other places, and it seemed like everyone here was churning out papers throughout their time. The operative experience is a mix between a mentorship model and a team based environment on some services like trauma, but from what I have seen from graduates of the program, they leave the program with excellent operative skills. You rotate through each service as both a junior resident and a senior, in an effort to perfect your skills in each subspecialty. One draw to the academic side of the program is the “Essential Readings” chosen by Dr. Wright (former PD) and continued by current PD (Dr Klein) which choose a set of important chapters and articles for each level while on their service. This tailors the education portion of the program, allowing for guidance while ensuring academic excellence. The residents seemed close, but not as close as I have seen at other programs, but all seemed happy. There are fellows in most subspecialties, though there isn’t much interaction between residents and fellows. Because of the prestige of the program, the graduates are able to obtain just about any fellowship that they want. There aren’t many weaknesses of the program itself, though some people aren’t thrilled with the prospect of living in St. Louis. The city offers many big city amenities without being too big or spread out, with most places easily reachable within 15 minutes driving. BOTTOM LINE: extremely well regarded program offering a complete academic, operative and research experience with an emphasis on the research side and the opportunity to catapult your career in whatever direction you would like.

NYU Hospital for Joint Diseases (14 residents per year): The biggest residency program in the country now, since adding 2 spots, however, 1-2 of those go directly to an NYU student(s) who graduates early with direct admission into the ortho program. Another 1-2 spots go to research residents, so it is mainly a competition for the other 11 spots. This program is VERY rotator heavy, and I was under the impression during the interview date that all non-rotators were competing for 2-3 spots out of the 11 remaining spots. Most classes are made up of all rotators and home students +/- 1 or 2 residents. The program itself is another one of the powerhouse programs in the country with virtually limitless opportunities for whatever you could want. They are more blue collar/hard working than many of the other “big name” ortho programs, and they seem to enjoy their reputation as a program that will work you to the bone. They definitely push research here, but with the resources available (and the fact that their PD Dr. Egol and Chair Dr Zuckerman wrote the Handbook of Fractures), research is a well-oiled machine and it doesn’t take too much effort to publish. Most of the operative experience is team-based, and there is a lot of resident-resident teaching. The program itself is also very hierarchical, where junior residents have little contact with the attendings, and presentations get passed up the line via seniority. Most of the 1st year consists of floor work, with a lot of the second year consisting of consult coverage, and then most of the operating takes place over the last 3 years, though there are opportunities for some operative experience during the first 2 years. NYU covers the busiest trauma hospitals in NYC and is continuing to expand, so there is plenty of opportunities and uncovered cases that residents can jump in on. One new change (and big plus for the program) is the new institution of moonlighting. Basically, every Saturday that residents work (even if they were already scheduled to be on call that day), they make 75 dollars/hour to operate. Basically you make extra money just for doing what you would do at any other residency program. They also have an orthopaedic urgent care clinic called ICare which can provide senior residents with more moonlighting opportunities, as they can act as covering attendings while the junior residents do all of the work. NYC is expensive, but the salary is about 10 thousand more than most other programs in the country to try to defray the cost. Out-of-towners also get priority for subsidized housing in apartments close to the hospitals for about half the price of an apartment in that area (still about 2000-2500/month for a 1 BR/BA). The residents seem to get along very well and seem to fit the work hard/play hard model, which is something they are definitely looking for in their future residents. BOTTOM LINE: big program with a great reputation and limitless opportunities as long as you like the big city life, like a hierarchical model and are willing to put in a lot of hard work.

University of South Florida/Florida Orthopaedic Institute (4 residents per year): They seem to be a program with a good mix of rotators/non-rotators, with about 4-6 rotators per month during high season. The program is fairly new, ~10 years old, and has a very strong reputation around the country, particularly for their Trauma experience. Their Chair is Dr. Roy Sanders, one of the biggest names in F/A and Trauma, and their PD is Dr. Mir, who was a former Trauma attending at Vanderbilt. They have 3 Trauma fellows/year, but the program is very resident-central and the fellows don’t disturb the overall experience. There is a strong partnership between the academic side of the program and “the industry,” since Dr Sanders is one of the big pioneers in the creation of various prosthesis/biomechanical technology advancement. This allows for a lot of biomechanic research opportunities, as well as some opportunities to learn the business side of orthopaedics. The program seems to offer operative experience early and often and all of the residents seemed more than competent in the OR and from an academics standpoint. The name recognition of the higher-ups in the program allow residents to obtain virtually any fellowship that they desire, particularly in F/A and Trauma. Good mix of married/single residents, and all residents get along very well. Tampa is a great city, expanding quickly, and offers many big city amenities and close proximity to the beach. There is also a budding craft beer scene in Tampa/St Pete, if that is your sort of thing. BOTTOM LINE: strong operative program with research opportunities alongside big names and a good reputation, particularly in the south.


Greenville Health System/University of South Carolina (4 residents per year): One of the best kept secrets in orthopaedics. They take a mix of rotators and non-rotators, and probably have 3-4 rotators each month during the high season. They are affiliated with the Steadman Hawkins clinic, which is one of the most highly regarded Sports Medicine fellowships in the country. They send out a specific survey prior to offering interviews, and choose to offer interviews only to people who have shown some hand-eye coordination abilities in the past, i.e. college sports, instruments, etc. Their PD, Dr. Porter says that he places a preference on hand-eye coordination and personality over test scores because he “is here to make good surgeons, and you can’t teach someone hand-eye coordination.” He also enjoys the fact that his program is largely a secret outside the southeast, as he would rather attract a “certain type of resident.” The interview day is one of the most unique in the country, with 7-8 unstructured interviews with various faculty members, all completely untimed and lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to over an hour. They really want a certain type of person here, and they want to take the time to have their best fit residents. For this reason, they offer about 5 interview dates, with each date consisting of 7-9 interviewees. They match very well into fellowships, and have a great reputation at their fellowships due to very strong operative skill. This is probably not the place for you if you want to churn out research or become a big academic physician, but they do offer research opportunities like any other program. They easily surpass the case-log average for the country and place a great emphasis on operative experience and skill. Great experience in both Sports (Steadman Hawkins and Blue Ridge (Clemson sports)) and Peds (Shriner’s). They are one of the few programs that I have never heard anyone talk bad about, and their reputation is very strong across the southeast. Greenville as a city is another well-kept secret with close proximity to Asheville, NC (big craft beer mecca) and not far from Charleston. It is a young city with a fun downtown area and semi-pro sports teams, and is very affordable. BOTTOM LINE: lesser known program with a great reputation among those who know about it, (i.e. fellowship programs), offering a great operative residency experience in an up-and-coming city.


JPS (4 residents per year): A program with a good mix of rotators and non-rotators, with a slight lean towards rotators (like most programs). Mostly Texans with a few out of state residents. Definitely an moperative-heavy program, with less of an emphasis on research. The strengths of the program at this time are probably Joints and Trauma. PD Dr. Wagner is a big resident advocate, and has continued to drive the program forward and emphasize the academic side to compliment the strong operative experience. Dr. Wagner also has a strong reputation in the Ortho world, and has helped his residents obtain very high quality fellowships. The residents are all very close to one another, and there is a good mix of married and single residents. The program has a reputation for being a bit of a cowboy residency, where residents are in the OR with little guidance, but I was told by most interviewers and residents that the cowboy perception is a bit outdated and doesn’t reflect the current situation of the program. Fort Worth is a great city, combining some big city amenities with affordability, as well as close proximity to Dallas. BOTTOM LINE: strong operative program in DFW with an emphasis on camaraderie and operative skill.

10. Baylor Scott & White/Texas A&M (4 residents per year): Relatively rotator heavy residency program, mostly Texans. Heavy emphasis on operative skill over research/academics, though there have been some recent hires to increase research output. Strong Joints program, as well as strong Peds with young attending turning down a job at Rady Children’s to stay in Temple. Very nice facilities with a separate building for Ortho stuff, complete with outpatient surgical center and clinic. Residents are all close with one another, many are married with kids. Temple is a very small town, but close to Austin and not far from Waco, about 3ish hours south of Dallas. Temple is extremely affordable and most residents own their own house, and all houses are within 15 minutes of the hospital. Via conversations with rotators, residents are very skilled operatively. Definitely a team-first mentality, and like most places, front loads the bulk of the work with a very tough 2nd year. BOTTOM LINE: operative-heavy program in a small town Texas environment.

Others: Baylor Dallas, UNM, Boston University

Unable to interview due to scheduling conflicts: UC Irvine, Loma Linda, Texas Tech (Lubbock and El Paso), Baylor Houston, Allegheny, Oklahoma, UT Austin, UTMB, LSU New Orleans

NOT RANKED
None. Would have been happy at any of them.

Matched at: Here's where the crazy story comes in: NONE (at first).

I was absolutely floored to find out that I did not match on Monday of match week. I had received good feedback on all of my aways, and interview season had gone well, I certainly did not expect to be in that position. That being said, I was all set to start applying for research vs. prelim vs. extending my 4th year. By the grace of God, there was one ortho spot in the SOAP this year, and I managed to scramble into that, and I'm absolutely pumped to start.

Advice for future applicants:
I have a few regrets in how I approached the process:

First, I didn't play the game and tried to let the match work itself out. By that, I mean that I that I did the typical thank you notes and made sure to express great interest during my interviews, but did not tell any program that they were my number one. My actual number one didn't want post interview contact, and I thought that it would be disingenuous to tell even my 2 or 3 that they were my number one, in case I matched at my one. I neglected to tell them anything like, "I'm ranking them very highly" because I thought that they would see through that. My goal was not to burn future bridges, which I completely regret. My advice: Really pinpoint a few programs that are high on your list and absolutely inundate them with your interest. Of course don't annoy them, but really make sure that they know that you want to be there and there more than anywhere else. After getting some feedback from some residents that I became close with during aways, most mentioned that the guys that matched at their program went that route, and they told me that while I was very much in the ballpark of their ranked to match spots, that they felt like not telling the PD that they were my number 1 may have affected my chances. Whether or not that is true, I'm not sure, but that was the feedback that I received. When the one Ortho spot became available in the SOAP, I played the game harder than I ever thought I could. As soon as the PD had contacted me to tell me I was in the running for the spot, I emailed him, I emailed my chair to email him, I texted my dean to email him, I called his secretary multiple times to express interest, and that finally got me the spot. So I say play the game, and play it hard.

Secondly, I skipped some interviews due to scheduling conflicts with the night before dinners, and while I think that is a great idea in theory, it didn't work for me. It allowed me to get to know the program and see how the residents interact, but I just don't think it has all that much bearing on rank lists. I had a great time with many of the residents during those socials, ended up in some deep conversations with some attendings, and still found out that Monday that I didn't match. Maybe the better advice is just to play the statistics.

Third, HAVE SOMEONE GO TO BAT FOR YOU. I am unfortunate that I come from a little known program and we don't have a lot of support from our Ortho department. Nobody knew my chair when asked during interviews, and even though some of our applicants had good relationships with him, I don't think that he went out of his way to help us during interview season, and wrote everyone generic LOR because he is so busy. I think that it is imperative to have someone who can put in a call for you and vouch for you as there are so many good ortho applicants and I know of quite a few this year that didn't match with similar stats to me. I genuinely think that the name of your school matters, and while I was able to obtain quite a few "Big Name" interviews, I'm sure on paper and even in the interview I looked similar to a few "Ivy League-type" applicants, so why would they choose a guy from a small school over that?

4th, Be prepared for absolutely anything to happen. I got ample interviews, interviews in all "tiers" of prestige, and still got nothing. Again, I can't say for sure what happened, just that I got feedback from some residents and attendings from my aways and interviews, and they were as surprised as I was to find me in my position last week. I got the typical, "you were definitely in the running for our spots, we really liked having you, and you must have just been the unlucky person who fell through the cracks this year. Must have just been the person who was one spot too low on everyone's rank list." For me, I think it was a fantastic group of applicants this year, and there was a ton of competition. I met some amazing people on the trail this year during aways and interviews, and I think all will make great Orthopods. I think that you can check every single box out there, have no red flags, be a normal guy that gets along with almost everyone and still not match. I know that to be true because I know of a few instances of it. All I can offer to future applicants is: check all of those boxes, work your absolute hardest, and hope for the best. If you genuinely want to be an orthopaedic surgeon, you can make it happen.

I hope this helps anyone who is applying next year or in the future, and I am definitely available for more info if anyone wants to PM me.
Med School: East Coast (Mid-Tier)
Boards: Step 1: 240-245 Step 2: 265-270 (Took May 2016)
Rank: Top 15%
AOA: Yes, Senior
Preclinicals: P/F
Clinicals: All Honors 3rd & 4th year
Ortho: Honors in all away rotations and home (3 away, 1 home)

Aways: Chicago (received interview), Boston (received interview), Connecticut (received interview). One seemed like more of a safety to me initially and then I realized that I loved all of my aways and the safety v. reach concept is truly meaningless. You don’t know a program until you get there.

Research: 2 primary author publications (both in ortho), 4 additional publications (not ortho).1 podium presentation. 3 poster presentations. Primary investigator for my own research project that lasted throughout medical school (3 publications pending).

Extracurriculars:
-Ortho Interest Group
-Surgery Interest Group
-Free Clinic affiliated with my school
-Multiple additional volunteer experiences
-Came with a graduate degree, thesis experience, and 4 additional years of clinical research at a well-known center

What I was looking for in a Program:
-Quality of the residents and the PD/Chair. Wanted an involved faculty that wouldn’t suffocate me and co-residents that were hard-working, funny, and down-to-earth. The programs that reached out more personally and knew my application cold really won me over—I am a sucker for that personalized feel.
-I wanted a mix of mentors: different genders, races, walks of life, etc. I did not want a homogenous group of people that wanted to stuff me in some diversity box.
-Lack of arrogance. This mattered on three fronts and trickled down: 1) the faculty, 2) the residents, and 3) the quality of the applicants interviewing around me.

How many Programs:
Applied to: 55
Offered Interviews: 28
Attended: 15

I am going to avoid the Tier approach. I think that it is time to switch from that mentality. The programs you choose are based on fit and feel, as well as away experience. The Tier approach only clouds the water and is incongruent with finding the right program for YOU.

Brown
I wanted to love this program but it was not the right fit for me. The focus was too trauma heavy for me personally and they have very little diversity in the program, despite their efforts to improve that. I found the leadership to be somewhat antiquated in their approach to improving the diversity.

Columbia
Really terrific place. Residents are some of the most down-to-earth. PD/Assoc PD/Chair are all amazing, friendly, and personalize the process to you. Obviously there are big names here. Your trauma education would be elsewhere and it is expensive to live in NYC.

Dartmouth
Too rural and small for me. Residents are really nice.

Harvard
Power house program. Faculty and attending involvement with residency is hit or miss: some love to teach, others clearly hate it. Residents are awesome—some of my favorite on the trail. Boston didn’t work for me for personal reasons; otherwise this would have been very high on my list.

Mayo
Bad location. Enough said. Considered going for the gym alone, however...that thing will make you cry it is so beautiful.

Minnesota
Residents are very nice. Tons of women (some of the most), several of whom were pregnant. Program clearly supportive of resident lifestyles. Clinical sites were far from each other and driving was required. They have lost 3 residents over the past 10 years.

Northwestern
This place is so money. Awesome residents (though a touch of the bro) and the PD and Chair are some of the best on the market. High, high, high on the list. Rotate here if you want it—they interview rotators (i,e. bring a suit to your away) and really prioritize them. They like to know the quality of the product before they buy. GREAT Onc & Peds exposure. Facilities are gorgeous.

NYU
Found this program to be very pushy and aggressive. This was the big reason why it did not suit me. Additionally, one intern mentioned some unprofessional things during the social that really bothered me. Bottom line: you have to really want to live in NYC and maybe there is a personality type here.

OHSU
Holy smokes, this place is gorgeous. That being said, the research is not the strongest. I also only met a small number of residents during the interview day and social and that was a deterrent/red flag for me. Some of the most genuine and nicest people in the game, however.

Tufts
Interview day feels like a cattle show. Tons of applicants. Added new BIDMC tumor rotation that fleshes out their Onc exposure. Have the Baptist and New Wellesley. These places are super underrated and a huge plus in this program. Residents are funny with some quirk. Teaching style is socratic here.

UConn
Program is a gem. Best residents; best new Bone and Joint facility (ortho only); best PD. West Hartford is gorgeous. Operative exposure at Hartford Hospital is 5 star. You need to want to be in the area but really this program has no down side. This program is the perfect example of why the Tier system does not work—once you rotate there, you realize it is Tier 1. The PEOPLE ARE PHENOMENAL.

U Mich
Cushy for the residents. They take great care of them. Residents are in a union and gives them a decent amount of power. PD is super nice. Tons of diversity at the interview. Operative experience may be limited but I can speak to that for sure. The Big House could be all yours if you so desired...

UVA
Location pretty sweet. Too formal of a program for my tastes, however.

UVM
Did not mesh with the residents. Really weak Peds and Onc. Burlington is pretty beautiful, but the Heady Topper I drank the night before was the peak of the experience for me.

Utah
This program is incredible. Personalized interviews, residents are intelligent and outdoorsy. You need to want to be in SLC. Strong research, strong didactics, facilities beautiful. Good Onc and Peds exposure. They favor rotators. Hospital sites are all within a small radius and makes your commuting lifestyle super easy. Attendings and faculty present interview day were genuine and intelligent. Cannot recommend enough.

NOT ABLE TO ATTEND and/or CANCELLED
Albert Einstein
Boston University
UMass
Loyola
U of Arizona
LSU
Maimonides
George Washington
Cedars-Sinai
NYMC
UC Davis
Buffalo
Mount Sinai

NOT RANKED
Ranked every program I interviewed at (‘cause what the heck, I wanna be an Orthopaedic Surgeon)

Matched at: #1 (so grateful). I DID NOT DO AN AWAY HERE.

Advice for future applicants:

First of all, use Orthogate sparely and in moderation. It is best for your health.

Second of all, it is OK to be normal. My Step 1 score did not rip anyone’s face off but I made sure that I was a well-rounded, thoughtful applicant before I applied. I have a decent amount of life experience and have many passions outside of Ortho. This made my interviews relaxed and complex. I honestly think it helped me.

Here are some tips that were useful to me:
-If your Step 1 score isn’t as high as you want, take your Step 2 early and destroy it. Then explain how you learn better clinically and on the wards.
-Care less about where the program is ranked and more about whether or not you would truly want to live in the city. Picture your life there.
-Look for balanced programs that have decent Onc and Peds exposure, or at least send you to a place at which you would want to be when you’re on those rotations. The obvious caveat to this is that you may already know what kind of Orthopod you wanna be. If so, go where you will find it.
-Look at the way the residents interact with each other and how the PD interacts with you. I liked when programs knew my app well and clearly wanted me there for a reason.
-Look around you at the other applicants. Are they arrogant? Can you have a conversation with them? Would you hate ending up being their co-resident? This helped me eliminate a few “Tier 1” programs.
-Schedule your aways early. Some places do not use VSAS. Know this and get all your apps in.
-3 aways seems to be the trend. I am glad that I did that many but the process is INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE and not everyone has parent’s paying for it. Make sure you budget well and only do what you can afford.
-Only apply to the number of programs you would truly want to be at. I was limited by budget and I am glad that I was. It is easy to get sucked into the hysteria and apply to too many, especially when someone is hyperventilating next to you and submitting to all 150+ programs.
-Be kind to other applicants. Give them rides to the airport. Share details about interviews. Work as a team. Don’t let this process destroy you.
-You may love your aways and still end up at a place that you did not rotate. This happened to me. I was blown away by my number 1 and listened to my gut feeling. Trust yourself!
-Rank where you want to be, not where you think you are ranked to match
-Don’t listen to post-interview chatter from programs. You never know who they are saying the same thing to. Try not to let it bias you. Try to choose the program for concrete, well thought out reasons—not because the PD called you and lavished praise on you. That stuff evaporates quickly.
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Used this thread a lot the past couple years - thought I would return the favor now that the Match is over!

Med School: Small Midwest school, not USNWR Top 50
Boards: Step 1: ~250 Step 2: ~260 (took in July, was available to programs)
Rank: Unknown
AOA: Junior
Preclinicals: Unknown
Clinicals: H everything except surgery, which I only passed (F/P/H system, no HP).
Ortho: Unsure - no real grades on 4th year rotations for us
Aways: 2 - One reach school in my region, one smaller program with a recent grad from my school for a guaranteed connection. Rotated in September/October. Got one letter from the reach program, probably got me a couple additional interviews because it was a decent name.
Research: Big weakness - No ortho pubs. No non-ortho pubs. A couple non-Ortho poster presentations and 1 non-ortho podium. First author on an ortho case report that was in the review process during interviews, ended up getting accepted during late interview season (was able to talk about this on interviews).
Extracurriculars: Student government, multiple volunteering/public service things, multiple other school roles, sports - all the normal stuff.

What I was looking for in a Program: I am not a big "prestige" person, as long as the faculty have some connections. As you read above, I don’t have much research - thus, I didn’t even bother applying to many top “prestige” programs. I am also not a "more cases the better" kind of person - I wanted a well-rounded clinical experience in conjunction with an operative experience because I believe that is what will make me a good attending surgeon in practice. 3 important things to me: 1) Good people 2) Good location 3) Good training. 1 - I want people who I can learn from and get along with - this includes residents, faculty, and even support staff. I wanted the overall learning environment to be focused on education, not using the residents as assistants and scut monkeys. 2 - Small-to-medium sized city with a strong young professional presence. 3 - I want faculty members who have some connections and will be able to get me a fellowship if necessary - however I want a well-rounded training experience that would allow me to pursue private practice straight out of residency if I wanted to as well. Strong trauma rotations were a requirement, and I’m not a huge fan of extended night float systems. Some programs are as many as 6 months, which I think is too long of a time away from the OR.


How many Programs:
Applied to: 91
Offered Interviews: 21
Attended: 16

I think tiers are unnecessary, simply because what I think is important in a program or I like in a program, other people might hate.

In alphabetical order:

Akron General: Smaller community program, (3/year). The most interesting aspect of CCAG (as they are now owned by Cleveland Clinic) is the program layout. They don't have set rotations outside of peds and hand, which means you can be responsible for spine, trauma, joints, sports, etc all on the same day/week/month. The chief residents set the OR schedule day-by-day and determine which residents cover what cases. The residents seemed to really like this because they were never stuck in a rut with the same subspecialty for months, and they are always fresh because they don't only have one spine rotation in second year or something like that. They do daily didactics. Good hospital perks. Definitely more of a bro-y atmosphere. Great lifestyle (the residents have a boat..yes, a boat). A lot of young faculty returning after training in Akron then doing fellowships elsewhere. Only big weakness for me was the location - Akron didn't have much to offer, and not a whole lot going on in the city.

Atlanta Medical Center - WellStar: Medium-size community program (4/year). Work with 100+ ortho surgeons in the greater Atlanta area. You do drive around quite a bit here, especially during 3-5 year. You spend your time at multiple sites throughout the greater Atlanta area, so traffic would get frustrating. The hospital was just bought this year by WellStar, and the faculty are all hopeful this will bring a new influx of cash/resources into the hospital. PD reported $157 million of hospital renovations and improvements in the next few years. Definitely a front-loaded program with the interns and twos working the hardest. Call is reasonable. Some concerns that the educational/didactic experience was lacking. A strong operative program with a great operative experience, even early on. There is a strong, well-rounded faculty. However, the residents seemed just a little airy for me, and didn't get to meet many of them. Personally not a good fit for me (but still a very good operative program).

Grand Rapids: Medium-sized community program (5/year). Overall, an excellent program in a great town (it was just named Beer City USA...). If anything, they operate TOO much. Interns are talking about doing skin-to-skin cases. By 3rd year, you are running your own joints room. This is a very heavy operative experience. Lifestyle is reasonable and you get the opportunity to moonlight and make some serious extra bank. Weekly conferences. Faculty is determined by who the residents want to work with (e.g., a new surgeon comes to town and the residents decide if they want to work with them). Quite a bit of night float (forget exactly how much). The faculty and PD were all awesome. Super fun interview day with a kegger afterwards that all interviewees are invited to. Residents seemed great as well, very welcoming and friendly.

Greenville: A very well-respected community program in the South. PD is a straight-shooter, no-nonsense kind of guy that is there to lead the program and teach residents. Would be a great person to learn under. The rest of the faculty were very laid back and would be awesome to work with. The hospital perks are ridiculous here - they get everything paid for and more (including an iPhone + service). They operate early and often, and as much as you want to. The intern year has been re-designed to give interns more time in the operating room. The residents finish with 2000+ cases and are very competent. Rotate through Clemson athletics as a 5. Well-rounded faculty in both academic and "community" settings gives you a well-rounded and voluminous operative experience. Greenville is a great small city with all kinds of outdoors stuff to do nearby and a top rated downtown. Overall, Dr. Porter (PD) has this program run tightly and not much slips through the cracks.

Henry Ford: The residents are all very close knit, a bit more of a "bro" program than some others, but not terribly so. They work hard but do so together with good support. They have intramural teams that are long-running and successful (shows true comraderie). There is a lot of "downtown" population which would probably get old as a 2/3, but the west bloomfield location offers a more private setting and a better patient population. Overall, a very well balanced program. Downsides are two rotations in Minneapolis during your mid-years. The program pays for a furnished apartment, but still a hassle. Detroit is on the up-and-up, and most residents live out in the suburbs anyway. The PD is a young guy who goes to bat for his residents and is an asset to the program.

Illinois-Chicago: Not my style of program, not my style of city. Wasn’t able to get a good sense of the residents because I didn’t meet many on interview day - they were either too busy or needed a day off (interview was on a Saturday), but the ones I met were welcoming. They rotate through 5 different hospitals on each corner of Chicago, and the driving between the sites would be pretty miserable. Due to the spread out nature of the institutions, the residents live all over the place and outside of the occasional beer, don’t hang out much (according to one of the residents). There are occasional Saturday conferences. Pretty well-known faculty and excellent research capabilities, especially in microsurgery.

McLaren-Flint: This program would have ended up much higher on my list if it wasn’t in Flint. The residents were all very down-to-Earth and really welcoming - some of the nicest I met on the trail. Hardly anyone actually lives in Flint, just about everyone lives in the suburbs. Trauma is knife- and gun- club heavy, but they do get some polytrauma from the northern part of the state. They have a cool research department where you can work on motor vehicle collision research and related topics. Senior call was a little rough and a bit of a turnoff.

MCW: No weaknesses here. There is a wide range of faculty that you work with, but the # of faculty is not so large that you don't get to know them personally. You get to the operating room as an intern, and step back a bit as a 2. Mostly service-based teams, some solo services like spine and F/A. Only 2 fellows (hand, F/A). I didn't get the chance to meet with the program director personally, but the new chair was awesome and very down-to-Earth. The residents speak very highly of their faculty and their approachability. They also are relatively well known and connected. The new chair seems to have the right idea for the place and they are very focused on resident education. The residents themselves are all very friendly and welcoming.

Minnesota: Great operative experience once you earn it/get to it. You don't see the OR much as an intern but get in hot and heavy as a 2 and beyond. There are quite a few fellows that can get in the way of cases at some of the locations, but overall there are so many cases at so many different locations, the operative experience is great. You rotate at 6+ hospitals throughout the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, which means you will have a broad experience. 15% of their residents enter practice directly out of the residency, which speaks to the quality of operative experience here (despite the large academic name and faculty). Minneapolis is a great city to live in. Perfect balance between an intense clinical experience and the academic name that will get me a good fellowship. Definitely a work-hard program where you put in your time and effort, especially at the trauma centers. Very family-oriented and female-friendly, which to me suggests a positive learning environment.

Nebraska: Mid-size academic program in Omaha. Great operative experience here, early and often. Interns often log 100+ cases in their first year alone. While it is a graduated experience, they have 2 VA rotations where the attendings are much more hands-off. Somewhat weak in sports, and you cover trauma as an intern and as a 3, but not as a 2 (you don't go to AO basic until your third year). The best part about this place is the people. Residents were all very laid back and personable (we had football on during the interview day). Awesome faculty. Every single faculty member I felt that I could get along with and learn from on a personal level. Plus they just finished a brand-new outpatient surgery center with new research labs, ortho-specific lounges, and state-of-the-art ORs. Lifestyle seemed pretty reasonable, and good educational experience.

Southern Illinois Univ: Smaller (3/year), “hybrid” program. University name, but rotate with almost exclusively community docs. The operative experience here is one of the best I saw on the trail. 3s are expected to handle bread-and-butter trauma and primary joints as primary surgeon. Mentor-based model, never double scrubbed except on rare occasions. Weekly didactics which are supposedly brutal, but perhaps changing with a new department chair coming in April. New chair has a lot of great ideas which will undoubtedly have this program on the upswing. PD is a pediatric ortho surgeon who runs a tight ship and is passionate about this residency. The residents here were super down-to-Earth and easy to get along with.

St. Louis Univ.: 6-year program transitioning to split 5-year and 6-year (3 residents will be in the 5 year track, 3 residents will be in the 6 year track by 2019). Previously on this site, SLU got a bit of a bad rap, so maybe I had low expectations going in - however, I was impressed by them. Yes, a couple odd residents and one put-offish faculty member, but overall I thought it was a pretty good interview day. The facilities are rough, but they are building a brand new hospital (done in 2020). According to residents, there are a lot of "old school" faculty who aren't ones for compliments or hand-holding, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. They are relatively well known, especially in trauma, and residents claim most are relatively good teachers. You get a diverse trauma experience as you rotate at hospitals with mostly urban trauma and another with mostly blunt MVC trauma.

Summa Health: Medium-size (4/yr) hybrid-style program in Akron, Ohio. Operative experience here is actually really good due to their interesting set up in second year: As a 2, you are on 6 months of call and 6 months of dedicated service time with only weekend call. This allows for 6 months of real in-depth operative months where you get to develop great operative skills. Cover University of Akron football as a PGY3. Home call for all senior years. Perhaps a weak clinic experience - no resident-run clinic, and it seems like the seniors are "encouraged" to do one day of clinic/week. This may be a plus to some applicants, but I was looking for a little more well-rounded experience. There are opportunities to moonlight here. The leadership faculty (Dr. Weiner/Dr. Junko) are definitely strong parts of the program. They are very down-to-Earth guys who are advocates for the residents. The remainder of the faculty remain a mystery, however, as no one else was present on interview day. Same as Akron General, not a big fan of the city.

Vermont: Smaller (3/yr) academic program. One of my favorite programs because of the people - everyone was very welcoming and the outdoor scene here is gorgeous (they made sure each interview room had a window either facing the lake or the mountains). The pre-interview dinner alone was worth the trip (full menu selection and great Vermont beer). Daily conferences that are mostly attending-led. Tough anatomy rotation as a 2. On trauma as a 2, there is someone covering the ER so you get a great operative experience. The PD is the president (or something high up) of the national board of PDs, so she has a lot of connections and was one of my favorite interviewers on the trail. The biggest strength of this residency is the residents themselves. They select people who are going to fit in well with the program (some of the interviewers are blinded to your application), and it shows. They treat each other like family, and the vibes from this place were very positive. If it wasn’t so far from home and Burlington had a little more to offer (without the higher cost of living…), I would’ve been all in.

Western Michigan: Small (3/yr) “hybrid” program in Kalamazoo. Operate early and often (for real). 92nd%ile on OITE this year speaks to the quality of their education. The new chair and PD are committed to resident education and will continue strengthening the curriculum. There is a brand new anatomy and skills lab for the residents to use. The new WMU med school facilities are gorgeous. Both PD/Chair are involved in resident education, leadership (both sit on national committees), and are nationally known names that will help these guys get good fellowships. The only real downsides of the program are the 6 months on night float, and the call setup was a bit unsettling for me. All calls must be filtered by an attending first - which means you are only coming in for OR cases. While this may be a huge plus for some applicants with families or who just love their sleep, I thought it was a bit of a detriment to the educational process. Outside of that, the work-life balance is great (due mostly to the call setup) and everyone seemed to enjoy their life here. Kalamazoo has 7 (yes, seven) craft breweries in a town of 70k people...you do the math.

William Beaumont: Large (8/yr with the combo from Oakwood) “community” program in Royal Oak, MI (really nice Detroit suburb). I put community in quotes because while the surgeons are private practice, they are heavy in research and are very much an academic-style program. The facilities here are top-notch and very centralized. It seemed like the ortho residents are very well-respected here. I liked the fact that interns take ortho call even on their off-service rotations to allow for more learning experiences under an upperclassman before taking call solo. Some very well-connected faculty, including the PD. The combination with Oakwood will open up an opportunity for a “VA-type” experience, where attendings will take a hands-off approach to clinic and the OR. There will still be plenty of cases with 3+ new residents this year. I didn’t click with the residents as well here as compared to some other places.

Unable to interview due to scheduling conflicts: Toledo, Marshall, Buffalo, St. Luke's, UK-Wichita

NOT RANKED
None. Would rather suck it up at a place I don't like for 5 years and be an orthopaedic surgeon than not match and take the risk of re-applying next year.

Matched at: My #1!

Advice for future applicants:
Know yourself, and know your application. Seems simple, but a lot goes into it. For me, I knew that no big research projects + coming from a lesser-known school = no way I would even get a passing glance from the big-name academic places. Away rotations were great for me - I went to two very different places to get a feel for each, and it really helped me decide what I was looking for in a program. There are a ton of similar programs out there (as you can see, I liked the vast majority of them) who are all going to give you great training. You have to find the one that fits best with where you want to live, the style of program you like, and who you connected most with on your away or interview day. Go to as many pre-interview dinners as you can, but I wouldn’t cancel an interview just to go to a pre-interview dinner unless I knew it was going to be near the top of my list (you will be more excited about some interviews than others). On interviews themselves, always be prepared to have an “Ace-in-the-hole” - something that wasn’t on your application that makes you stand out (up to you to figure out what that is/means). I sent thank-yous only to my top few programs, and didn’t do any second-looks. At the end of the day, the formula (usually) doesn’t fail: 250+ Step 1, honors in all or nearly all your clerkships, research, AOA, and great LoRs from relatively well-known surgeons. Check 4+ of the 5 boxes, and you have yourself a great chance to become an orthopaedic surgeon. Feel free to PM me with any questions, and good luck!
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Med School: East coast. Upper-lower tier.. is that a thing?
Boards: Step 1: mid 260s Step 2: mid 260s took in June before my first SubI
Rank: idk
AOA: Senior
Preclinicals: mostly As
Clinicals: Honored 6/7
Ortho: Honored home and 3 aways
Aways: 3 – 1 northeast, 1 south, 1 west coast. None were safeties, nor were they reaches. Chose based on reading on here and recommendations from faculty. Always got a weird face from people when I said where I rotated, since it seemed random to them.
Research: 0 on ERAS. Had 2 projects ready to talk about for interviews
Extracurriculars: nothing special

What I was looking for in a Program: residents/faculty that I could actually see myself clicking with, complete/balanced coverage of all subspecialties, good fellowship match reputation, organized didactics system, same stuff as everyone else… vibe was by far the most important


How many Programs:
Applied to: 100
Offered Interviews: 30
Attended: 15
I’ll address it here before I forget, I applied to more programs than most, even though I know a good number of people who applied to 70-90. In retrospect, I matched, so it’s easy for me to judge and say it was overkill, but my paranoia was 2/2 a red flag of sorts in pre-clinicals and the fact that aside from having great numbers, I’m a pretty basic dude. The question I hated most on the trail was: “what makes you interesting?”… cuz I got nothing and I had no research, so I felt my ability to wow people on an interview was nil. So I preferred to play it safe and I literally went through every program's website, read about them, and applied to any program I thought that I’d be okay with matching at, which ended up being a lot because I don’t really care about prestige. For anyone with similar numbers and minimal research, I think if I had to go through this again, I’d apply to about 70 (again, overkill, but 70 is a good number if you're trying to play it safe). I'd do ~50 if I had my ish together and had a publication to put on ERAS, since I think that hurt with getting some interviews.

Tier 1:
Michigan: If there was a +/- chart that could show how much programs changed based on your pre and post-interview impressions, this would have the greatest spread. I was really wowed by the program and how well they take care of their residents. The residents are all super chill, apparently 1 dude played pro baseball for some time, and class was relatively diverse. PD legit started tearing up on my interview day when she began to talk about the program and how far it’s come. There were only a few places that truly stood out has having PD’s who were all about the program and the residents, and this was one of them. They took us to the UM stadium for lunch and a tour, which was cool, despite not having anything to do with Ortho. All the faculty seemed super laid-back and it was one of the few places where people had clearly actually read my application beforehand and spoke about it on some level. They have an intern skills month with no other clinical responsibility, which sounds amazing. The only knock’s about this program I would say are that they get “good-enough” operative training and aren’t super busy, just by virtue of how many programs are relatively close by. Trauma seems to be the service that was noted the most in terms of not having a ton of volume, but a Trauma attending assured me that he believes they have enough volume for residents to be confident/comfortable with any of the basics they would see post-residency while on call. Some random guy paid for my coffee at Starbuck’s the morning of my interview, +1 for Midwest culture. Ranked it relatively high, but this would have been a #1 candidate if it wasn’t in an area that gets so cold and if it wasn’t in a region of the country where I have no friends at all. I spoke to someone who didn’t have the best rotation experience here, but I basically don’t place much weight into what people say, sine we’re all different… i.e. when I met people on interview day who told me they rotated at HSS I immediately tuned them out for the rest of the convo.

UCSD: This program was very similar to UM. Interview day/social was by far the best on the trail. They recently lost Chargers coverage, but will now be covering the Padres. + for most people, - for me because baseball is objectively the worst sport on earth. All specialties are well represented. I think sports is the one thing that could be considered a weakness, but the residents feel they get pretty good exposure with the Peds sports coverage and their rotations with the Navy. They’re hiring more faculty to cover trauma and there are plans in the works to expand several of the other sub-specialties as well. They’re phasing out their research year, & I believe they said after this year only 1 resident per year will be required to do a year of research. IMO, not really any negatives about this program, unless doing an extra year isn’t your thing.

UPMC: Program seemed solid. It sounds like they get good operative experience and Dr. Fu’s name is known to everyone, so you’ll get whatever sports fellowship you want. I just got a weird vibe while I was here. I think there are multiple different sites you rotate at throughout Pittsburgh, so there isn’t a ton of resident-resident interaction. Another interviewee mentioned how the residents apparently don’t get along. When I asked, I was told apparently this was a problem in some of the higher classes, but the current PD has been making more of a concerted effort to take people who will get along and apparently most of the residents are cool with each other now. They showed their research facilities, which are amazing. They have the most attendings on staff of any residency in the country… Did you know there have only been 5 different chairs at this program since 1900?? -_-... I left this interview feeling: If I matched here, I’d be okay with it because it has a great name and you’re going to get worked hard with an end result of being a very well trained resident. However, I have an odd feeling I wouldn’t be genuinely happy with my time there and while you can’t get back years of training, I don’t think the opportunity value is high enough to train here over some lower tier places with better balance. Pittsburgh itself wasn’t the most thrilling place, but the residents all said it grows on you and harped on the benefit of living in an affordable city. Apparently it used to be that a 2nd look was an unspoken thing that had to be done if you wanted to match here, but it isn’t really the case anymore. Half of the residents will be doing 6 years. They’ll ask you about your interest in research on interview day, but it won’t hurt your chances if you aren’t interested, so don’t be scared to be honest.

UVA: Probably the most well balanced of any of the tier 1 programs I interviewed at. I think there are a few reviews of the program saying the same things, so no point in going into a ton of detail. Strong Hand/Sports, didactics every day (if that’s your thing), shipped to Roanoke, which is about an hour away for almost a year of residency time, but it’s like operating bootcamp – no clinic responsibility, just come in and operate every day, Charlottesville is a cool city - good for food, breweries, and wineries, but it’s surrounded by nothing exciting and your nearest escapes are Richmond at 1 hour away or DC/Virginia beach – about 2 hours away. Make sure you look on their website to be aware of the interview stations, so that you’re somewhat prepared on interview day. This is another program that could have been ranked #1 if the location was more exciting or if there was more ease of access to family/friends.

Stanford: Asked about the competition with fellows for cases and was assured it wasn’t a problem. Asked about Trauma volume and was told that they see good enough volume for the things that are pertinent for a resident to know. Asked about housing and apparently it is pretty difficult to live on your own, so most residents split housing with others. Those were my only concerns coming in to interview day and the more detailed responses I got were enough for me to not have any worries about matching there. The chair walked in to speak to us and he seemed less than enthused, which apparently is his personality, but the residents said he was a great guy. PD was extremely affable and walked around speaking to everyone at the pre-interview social as well, seemed like he even remembered a few of us from reading about us beforehand. Everything about the interview day was great. +1 for another program where everyone, including the chief room, had actually read my application beforehand and had comments or questions on it. They just hired an assistant PD, previous PD at Carolinas, who is making small changes to the curriculum for the better. Likewise a great guy and wouldn’t have known how important he was from speaking to him at the pre-interview social. Residents were all really cool. Personally, leaving interview day, the only concern I had was whether or not I could actually afford to be a resident there with my billion dollars in school loans. It seems like an already great program, on the uptrend. Potential negative is that I met a guy on the trail who rotated here who had concerns about the operative volume, but again, you have to take things with a grain of salt… things are season dependent, resident/team dependent, past experience dependent, or potentially just a fluke, but just figured I’d make note of it since it is something that had been associated with the program previously.

Tier 2:
Baylor: I missed the hospital tour, which here is held the day before the actual interview, so I’m not sure if my interaction with residents or seeing the facilities more would have changed my impression, but I walked out of here thinking I would rank it last. In one interview, at the start (so it wasn’t because I was being boring as hell) the interviewer picked up the phone for a non-essential phone call… then continued with, do you have any questions? It also turned me off that this was the first program I had ask me what programs I rotated at, so initially that disgusted me… but then I realized as I got deeper in interview season about a 1/3 or more of programs still ask that question. They’re very cocky here about their operative experience and it seemed the only thing they had to brag about their program was that they have cases scheduled throughout the night. I was basically told by 2 attendings they have a preference for people from southern programs and that in their experience people from the northeast are book smart, but not good at operating. There was a trauma guy who was pretty cool and trained there previously and was happy to come back. 2 residents were pretty cool and easy to talk to during the day. Other than that, I really didn’t get great vibes from many people Apparently, people have bad mouthed the chair here because of his time at other programs. He seemed like a good guy to me though and was honest in answering my questions, so I’m not sure what his problem might have been at other locations. They are forthcoming about their lack of research infrastructure, but are actively trying to improve this so the residents can be more productive. That being said, there was a chief who spoke about having multiple publications and said it’s doable if you bust your butt early on. Lastly, several residents commented on the program being heavy on floor work for your first 2 years, with little OR time, but apparently in years 3 and 4 you’re operating essentially all the time to the point where as a chief “you don’t even feel like operating anymore.” An emphasis is definitely placed on producing residents who are comfortable making operative decisions. It was presented a little cavalier at times… making it sound like they had an “F it, not sure what I’m doing, hope this works” attitude. However, I can’t say that the confidence they exuded isn’t exactly what I want when I graduate, though I maybe wouldn’t present myself in the same manner. I think you’d be a boss surgeon if you trained here, but I also think it has the potential to have you finish residency with a few deficiencies, depending on the type of person you are.

Jefferson: 6 residents, ~1 spot for non-rotators. Seems like things run extremely efficiently here and you will have great operative experience because of the # of cases you get in. Residents seemed a little broish, with a few prior athletes, but at the same time the program has a bit of a white-collar feel. Kind of non-ideal to have to travel to multiple different sites when you’re based out of a relatively busy city, but the traffic in Philly isn’t terrible. I don’t really think they have any weaknesses… aside from Trauma, but this was brought up and they said they had recently brought in a trauma guy from Washington I believe, though I’m not sure that their volume has increased significantly yet. They get to do a “mini-MBA” over the course of residency as the Chair is big on being able to market yourself. Minimal diversity to resident makeup. Chairman is a funny guy… make sure you have something interesting to say about yourself as they do a group student interview with the PD/chair and everyone says something about themselves. #2 in the country in terms of research funds available, if that's your thing.

Miami: If you like Trauma, this is a great place to be. They’re actively trying to make improvements and I think they’re definitely surging in the right direction. Significantly improved research efforts with exponential increases in the last few years in publication volume, new faculty hirings, a new sports outpatient center in Coral Gables close to the athletic facilities. If those things and more don’t do it enough for you there’s always the fact that you’d be living in Miami for 5 years and breast implants & injections aside, it’s arguably the best place in the country to be. Intern year you'll have weekends off while on all ortho rotations. Didn’t seem like it had that uber bro vibe like people used to describe it as. Also, it isn’t a pre-requisite to know Spanish to end up here, but it’ll help you out a lot. +1 for only having to leave campus for 1 rotation and having research blocks built into the schedule.

VCU: Solid program with busy services/trauma. Seems to have everything you would need to graduate and be competent. Not sure how to describe it, but residents seemed like “regular” people, which is a negative for some, but I don’t mind… i.e. normal, nice, down to earth people who will always work hard, but not necessarily full of people you’d want to hit a strip club with, if that’s your thing. The chair came from Rochester and has brought a lot of grant money to the program and has aimed to significantly improve the program. I think he stated his goal is to have VCU be within the “top 25” in residency rankings within the next few years. Really nothing BAD about this program, it just seemed like Richmond wasn’t for me and it was a little off-putting to be at a place where it was obvious that almost nobody had actually read my application.

Tier 3:
Cooper: Small program, good trauma, efforts in place to continue improving balance of program, non-ideal location. Since they’re new, they have to wait until whatever trial period they're on ends before they can add more residents to each class, which they definitely have the volume for.
Monmouth: small program, 2 residents/year, all seemed like laid back guys/girls. Solid fellowship matches. Just a bit worried about the volume you’ll see of things aside from the absolute basics. Wouldn’t mind living on the beach for 5 years though.
NYMC: I think a few interviewees were turned off by the fact that we were there essentially all day long because of poor interview organization. Residents were present for the first few hours,but they left after the tours and it was just the group of students waiting in the room for the rest of the day. People seemed cool at the social. Sounds like they get okay experience. Apparently they went down a resident in recent years. Someone asked this on interview day and the 2 residents present didn’t really know how to answer the question in a way to make it sound like it wasn’t a big deal, so that was weird. +1 for proximity to the city
Rutgers RWJ: Smaller program at 3 residents/year. Attendings all seem like laid-back guys. Residents emphasized the perks of attending the program and it seems like they get treated pretty well. Match well for fellowship into varied specialties. Have to go to Sloan Kettering for your Onc rotation. College town vibe city in close proximity to NYC and Philly as selling point.
SUNY Downstate: Best food on the interview trail, if that’s worth anything. Attendings seemed like pretty down to earth guys who just like getting the job done. Sounds like you get a lot of non-ideal patients because of the area, but in general, this tends to be good for surgical experience anyway. Living in Brooklyn can be expensive, but obviously better than Manhattan. There are plans to grow the program and hire new faculty soon after the program got dinged not too long ago for not having enough. PD also said efforts are there to improve research infrastructure. I think the only thing that turned me off was the prospect of training in NY and having to deal with NY ancillary staff, which at this hospital seemed to be exceptionally lackluster.

NOT RANKED
Ranked anywhere I went on an interview, but didn’t get a chance to interview at the following 2/2 conflicts: WashU, LIJ, Tufts, UCLA, Rochester, Mount Sinai/St. Lukes, Kentucky, UC Irvine, LSU, Mclaren Flint, Allegheny

Matched at: Tier 1, did away

Advice for future applicants:
Do aways wherever you actually would like to be, the whole regional thing is likely dead. To maximize your odds of matching, be honest with yourself about your application. Avg step is 247 and avg abst/pub/presentations is 8… don’t rotate somewhere completely out of your league. In general, nice people are easier to work with. Be yourself and don’t try too hard to be cool/funny/broish for the sake of the field… a lot of people stuck out in the wrong way for that on interview days. To reiterate, I would NOT apply to a ton of programs again and in retrospect I regret that extra $1000+ that I shelled out. If you feel like you’re a borderline applicant, choose whichever programs you think you’d ACTUALLY be happy to end up at (probably ends up being the 50-60 most people apply to), then add another 10-15 “lower-tier places” in your region or that you have some other connection to. I spoke with a couple rockstar kids who had good scores and multiple pubs and got 30 interviews out of their only 50 applications. Regarding # of aways, I think the adage is still true that 1-2 aways is fine if you’re a great applicant on paper. If you’re decent, borderline or worse of an applicant, I’d do 3. Kill your aways - that should at the very least be 3 guaranteed interviews, and if you’re good enough – 3 guaranteed spots. My aways were not terrible, I got pimped, but I think it was more important to be always present and helpful than the smartest student they’ve ever met. That being said, I was generally always prepared. Get Netter’s, use Orthobullets, follow up with Handbook of Fractures and another source for any presentations you give and you’ll all be fine. I personally don’t know anyone who didn’t match who played the game well. The pre-req is to have the numbers and good third year grades. If you’re step 1 255+ and honor most of your rotations, you should match with confidence. If you’re 255+ honor most of your rotations and have research, you should match at wherever you want, if you rotate there. If you’re 255+ honor your rotations and you don’t match, you’re either social awkward or you had some other red flag. People who don’t have the numbers just need to rotate accordingly and apply broadly +/- do a year of research depending on the type of program you want to go to and how poor your scores are. Wouldn’t recommend applying to anyone with <238ish… random #, but in anyone who ended up divulging that info throughout this process, I think the lowest score I actually heard of was a 250 (there weren’t a lot of this people in this sample so take it for what it’s worth), but either way, with outcomes saying the average is almost 250 (247), you’d be facing an very steep uphill battle with a step score that would be less than a standard deviation from the matched average… not impossible, just unlikely if the quality of the applicant pool continues to stay the same/improve. Happy to respond to any PMs, despite being relatively dead over the last few years, this site was still extremely useful throughout this whole process so I just wanted to add my .02 for the future classes.
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Any freshly-matched 4th years who could share their thoughts/experiences for those of us applying in 2017-2018 would be really appreciated! Congrats to all of you on matching.
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Nobody left or came. Karam took over for Marsh. Marsh is still there as the DC. Karam was previously the assistant PD. I'm not a resident so I can't say for sure, but I did rotate there and from a student perspective I don't think much will change.
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Who left? Who came? Has it affected the residency program? Any other general info/impressions if you rotated there.
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What specifically do you want to know?
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I didn't interview there but I'm hoping someone else can shed a light on it.
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Any info on Iowa from this year? Specifically how things are shaking out with the leadership change.
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Only right that I be the first one to start this off.

Med School: Top 30
Boards: Step 1: 250s Step 2: 250s - taken and released after interviews
Rank: probably somewhere in the 50th percentile
AOA: (Junior/Senior) Nope
Preclinicals: (Honors, HP, E, P, what ever your school uses.) Meh who cares?
Clinicals: Mix of H and HP, H in surgery
Ortho: (grades you received.) all H in home and away rotations
Aways: 3 aways all over the country at all reach places that I could see myself
Research: 5 publications, a couple of additional abstracts
Extracurriculars: Ortho interest group in school, etc

What I was looking for in a Program: Wanted a more academic program, didn't care that much about the community feel, wanted a large program in a hopefully urban setting, but willing to sacrifice the city life for quality of training. Emphasis on joints/hand/upper extremity/sports because that is what I see myself doing.


How many Programs:
Applied to: 70
Offered Interviews: 30
Attended: 15 - conflicts etc

Tier 1:
(Please describe programs here in detail)

HSS: What an honor. Ideal program for someone who wants academics, wants an urban life, and wants to enjoy it because the hours don't seem bad at all. Too bad you have to give a hand and a leg to get the email that says you're ranked to match. Not an ideal program for those who want trauma/community type operating experience in NYC, but for those who want an academic program with unlimited opportunities for research and a fellowship anywhere in anything, this is the program. People are somewhat weird; residents dont seem as close as other places and attendings are definitely a bit high strung and don't treat residents as family, but the perks are probably worth it when you get $900 housing in the upper east side along with the HSS name.

Washington University: HSS of the Mid-West. Maybe? Great academic name but the residents seem closer. St. Louis is meh for someone who wants an urban life, but the quality of training is up there with HSS, Mayo, etc. Have research for days and most residents seem to get a grant (OREF etc). Great for sports, joints, hand/upper ex so it was a special treat to get an interview here. Seems like there is some NP/mid-level support so the interns aren't getting killed with floor work all the time and the education (didactics, etc) might be the best in the country based on the session they had during interview day. The only con might be st. louis which isn't for everyone. Dr. Wright has stepped down from PD duties but still on staff so pretty sure the program isn't going to take a hit.

Harvard: What is there to say. Amazing, world-famous attendings in everything. Unlimited research resources. But there might be a down side: residents were a little quirky for me. After talking to one of the seniors, got the impression that the operating experience isn't what it's made out to be which is a downer because that is what a surgical residency is for. It seems most attendings are fairly hands on because they are so famous and don't let the residents do much. Still, the fellowship list is amazing and if you were going to go for the name alone, it would be hard to blame you.

Mayo: Would be a #1 if it wasn't for Rochester, Minnesota. Tundra on interview days with temperatures in the -10 to -20 range. The interview day is amazing and shows they care. The mentorship model is absolutely amazing with research infrastructure that is maybe only matched by HSS/Rush in the whole country. The 6 months of potential elective time during PGY5 sounds like a dream come true, but you have to survive Minnesota weather. Not as urban as I wouldve liked (obviously), but their fellowship match in Joints and Hand is probably only matched by Wash U/Rush/HSS. Trauma is likely their most weak point followed by Peds, but those aren't my interests. The residents were also absolutely amazing and seemed like they hung out more than any of the others in my Tier 1 places.


Tier 2:

Utah: Likely a Tier 1 program. Maybe the best interview day on the trail because everyone knows your applciation forwards and backwards and there is no time limit to the interviews. Aoki is a true mentor and cares about everyone. The new research infrastructure is absolutely amazing and they are really ramping things up. My two main concerns were operating autonomy and Salt Lake. Heard from some residents that most attendings are a bit hands on, even in sports and joints, so that was a little concerning. As someone who wants to be in a city, Salt Lake wasn't appealing. If you want to be at a place where you want amazing mentorship and amazing didactics with 24/7 access to world class skiiing/snowboarding, this is the place to be.

Case: Cleveland wasn't too bad. Operating experience is apparently amazing and they now have two Level 1 trauma centers. This is actually a negative in my opinion because before the chiefs could do a mini fellowship by picking cases of their interests but now there is more trauma which takes away from that. Also, the Allen Fellowship (research year) is picked after you start so you can get stuck doing that even if you don't want. This is not a negative in itself but it appears the infrastructure isnt there to take advantage of it and that basic science is pushed on you during this year - which I don't care much about. The autonomy in the operating room and the residents are a big sell because they were all amazing and some of the closes I saw on the trail.

UCSF: Probably a tier 1 program by reputation but tier 2 in terms of training. SF is an amazing city, but I don't believe the hype around SFGH's trauma training after talking to some rotators. Also, sports experience is only decent though their joints fellowship match is exceptional due to Dr. Vail. Also sounds like interns and PGY2s have a lot of scut work and don't get to go to the OR a lot and that the residents are uncomfortable even as PGY5s, which is definitely a minus. Could probably get a decent fellowship here and during the interview day, all the attendings introduced themselves which showed how much they truly care. The interviews themselves were nerve wrecking because of their seriousness and knowledge rooms, etc. Would be in Tier 1 for others, just not for me.


Tier 3:

Colorado - Too much trauma and not enough academics for my liking. Training seems exceptional.

Miami - same as above.

Maryland - same as above. actually heard from rotators that don't really get to do much in the trauma ORs until PGY5 because of how many fellows there are.

Allegheny - same as above.

Mt. Sinai - just heard too many bad things that were confirmed by rotators on interview day. Merger with St. Luke is too much uncertainty.

UW - just not for me.

NOT RANKED: Two programs that I couldn't see myself at.

Matched at: (did away there, where on ROL, etc) TBD

Advice for future applicants:

Make the list how you want. Your list will not be the same as anyone else's and your tiers won't be either. YOUR HAPPINESS IS WHAT MATTERS IN THE LONG TERM.
(Please include other comments on aways, connections, someone made a phone call, etc. I am curious about this and I'm sure others are as well)
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