The Gateway to Your Orthopaedic Career.
  Tuesday, 21 January 2003
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I am a second year that was recently turned onto ortho after meeting an orthopod. Until now I always assumed I would go into primary care. I am in the middle third of my class now with minimal effort. Is a comeback possible? If so, how? One caveat, I am not intersted in travelling very far from my home state of Louisiana to train.
23 years ago
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ok, in an effort to prevent another "damn computer..." thread, i'm going to step up the plate and try to tackle this issue in a nonconfrontational way that will (hopefully) help everybody on this board.

ms3's: congratulations on choosing what i feel to be the best field in medicine. ortho is very competitive, and i can understand why so many people are eager to know what their chances are. unfortunately, as has been noted in numerous other posts, there is no secret formula to matching in ortho. there is no cut off board score; you simply need to do as well as possible. there is no minimum number of honors; again just do as well as possible. in general clinical grades are more imporant than preclinical grades. in general, letters from orthopods who know you well are better than big names who don't know you at all. if you are interested in a particular program or two, away rotations may help. however, only go if you know you will shine. i asked every place that i did not rotate at if i was at a disadvantage because i did not rotate there. only one place essentially said yes, while about three quarters went on to tell me how lackluster their rotators were. finally, based on my own personal biases/pet peeve, do your research ahead of time and don't waste time and money applying to programs that are not a good fit (academically, socially, geographically, etc.) for you. my wife (not in medicine) and i spent hours pouring over all available information to come up with a relatively short list of programs to APPLY to. i can't tell you how many times on the trail i met people who had applied to 80+ programs but knew less about the place we were at than my wife did. that's got to come through in the interview.

if you are still really worried about your chances, keep two things in mind. number one, there are plenty of old posts arguing 220 vs 230. peruse them at your leisure. number two, with the exception of the handful of interns that post regularly on this board, none of us have actually matched for anything. try talking to your chairman or attendings at your school. how helpful they can be might surprise you, and expressing your interest in ortho is also a good way to meet these people.

ms2's, ms1's, college kids, high school kids, and anybody else reading: even if you came out of the womb thinking you wanted to do ortho, you are doing yourself a great disservice if you "commit" right now. until you actually get on the wards and see how you handle a surgical rotation, there is no way you can know that ortho is right for you. so just relax and do your best. as for goals, comebacks, or any other standards, i wouldn't focus on those. you should be doing your absolute best not because you might apply in ortho, but rather because you are investing a huge dollar amount and, more importantly, a huge portion of your life to medical education. when you get that ms3 after your name, then refer to the above.

hope all that helps.
23 years ago
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1. Looks like someone is a bit frustrated and needs to quit reading these forums.

2. Half of the reason people read this board is for insight into getting an orthopaedic residency spot, therefore it is natural that the most frequent posts are ones in regards to chances.

3. I knew as a sophomore in college that I was going to be an orthopod and went on to interview at med school and proceed through med school without any other illusion of what I was going to do. I am now a second year orthopaedic surgery resident; some of us do know.
23 years ago
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Lantus,

great point on trying to do well, not because you're ortho, but because you want to be the best dr. possible. I think that's important for all those with bones on their minds. And if you do do well, then the rest will take care of itself.

My only other input is, HAVE PASSION. You can't fake this. Some have it, some don't and you can tell. I've wanted to be an Orthopod since mid way through college. I came into med skool hardcore ortho, and I let everyone know it. I didn't blow off my orther rotations because I knew that first I would be a doctor and then secondly, an orthopod. I truely feel ortho is the greatest subspecialty out there and I wish every resident in the hospital could be as happy about their field as I am (tear in my eye
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23 years ago
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Impressive...this string is going a lot better than that "darn computer" one. I agree with the stuff mentioned above. The one thing I may want to add is that, depending on your qualifications, you may not have the luxury to be picky about where to go fo residency, or when. And this is one on the circumstances where the passion that bonejock was talking about really comes into play. Are you willing to train far from people you know? Or in a city that you don't like? Or do some research before reapplying in case you don't match at first? I am not referring to you, italianpod, specifically, since we really don't know your qualifications except for what you posted (besides, who are we to really be saying who is "matchable" or not?), but that is the reality of the game. I think word has it that only half of those applicants who apply for ortho as first choice actually match, with the others doing prelim years, research, or other specialties. But there are those who put evey effort to match (I heard once of a guy who went through the match 4 times before getting into a program).

Specifically about your case, you still have boards and 3rd year ahead of you- make the best of them.
23 years ago
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Well said, Lantus & Bone Jock!

Italianpod -- if you're doing OK now, I wouldn't worry much about past performance. Since you've now got a drive to try to be tops, go for it! I think my grades really started picking up during 3rd year anyway, and that's what a lot of programs look at. Of course, try to do your best at Boards, but as the others already mentioned, you should be doing that anyway, no matter what you want to do.

Hope this helps! Good luck!
23 years ago
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Haha,
Bone_Jock said "doodoo!"
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23 years ago
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Thanks men for your honesty it is appreciated. Lantus, I did not mean to p@#$ in your cherios......sorry.
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