NYC away rotations

I thought HJD was a great place.. d/n rotate but the guys i met on the trail enjoyed their time... lots of people rotate there however...

other places i am not sure about, but check out old posts on these places.

if you are really looking to be in the city (manhattan), there are only four others.

mt. sinai
columbia
lenox hill
st. lukes

in my opinion, they are all about the same depending on what you are looking for. sinai and columbia are more academic. lenox hill and st. lukes are less so. i don't think that you can go wrong at any of the programs in manhattan.

I know that you are asking about those other than HSS/HJD, but just wanted to throw in my two cents regarding rotating at HJD...

...If you don't get your request in very early, you may be put at Bellevue as I was. Cynthia (the secretary) will tell you that it is all part of the same program, etc, and at the time I thought it would still give me a chance to see the program and them a chance to see me, but I don't think that was really the case.

At Bellevue you only really interact with the Bellevue attendings. I had no chance to meet or interact with any of the HJD bigwigs. In addition, at Bellevue you are a complete scut monkey, and you are only going to get to meet the 8 or so residents that are there at the time (8 residents out of such a huge program is not really much). I wasn't even given the opportunity to see the HJD facility with the exception of the Wed morning conference auditorium. I know several people who rotated at Bellevue were less than impressed with the program and the rotation, and several (including me) did not even have the desire to go for an interview. I think that this was partly due to a poor experience at Bellevue and partly because they just did not really like the residents/program.
In addition, even though I never met him, Dr. Zuckerman wrote my evaluation that went back to my school and (not surprisingly) more than half of the columns were checked "cannot evaluate" and overall it was not a very impressive eval (I still don't know what it was based upon). I thought it was ridiculous that he was the one who evaluated me considering I never even met the man, but at least that eval came in late and did not hinder my app.

Just wanted to give the current third years a head's up if you are planning on scheduling a rotation at HJD.
...good luck.... :smokin:

Dreamer,

Sorry that you felt that way about your Bellevue rotation. I had similar thoughts about rotating at Bellevue when I was an applicant. Now, being a resident at Joint Diseases and knowing a little more about our selection process, I view the rotation differently. If you rotate at NYU/HJD one of the most important pieces of your application is your Chief resident's evaluation of you. Therefore, you are not placed at a disadvantage when you rotate at Bellevue.

Secondly, it is the rotation that has the MOST residents at one time: Two chiefs, two R4'S, three R3's, and two interns. At Bellevue, you spend a lot of time with the residents in the OR, Clinic, ER/Trauma slot etc. So, if you do a good job during the rotation you have many residents supporting your application.

Additionally, Dr. Zuckerman attends morning conference at Bellevue twice a week. This is an opportunity to meet him and interact with him on a more personal basis than our Wednesday morning conferences.

I feel we have a very diverse and well rounded program. That being said, each rotation for both residents and students is different, with its advantages and disadvantages. Therefore I would say if you rotate at Bellevue during your rotation with us, you are not hindered in your application.

Good luck to all of you in your applications, and I hope you find the program that fits you the best.

Quick question regarding how competitive the NYC programs are. As they are all wonderful programs and so many people want to be in NYC, I would imagine they are highly selective. In general, would you say that to be competitive for an interview at these schools you need a 250+ on step I as the last post says? Just curious.

you do not need to be 250+ to match in nyc!! come on folks!

as for mt. sinai. our present intern class all did away rotations at sinai, so it is in your best interest to do an away rotation if you are really interested. orthorider is correct in saying that you do not get an automatic interview just by doing a rotation. however, if you didn't click with the place, do you really want a pity interview? that would be a waste of time for everyone. as for the lack of a spine surgeon, a new spine attending will be starting in late spring/early summer of this year, so that hole has been filled.

don't be discouraged by orthoriders comments. we are a great program with a really tightknit group.

Bonebuster-
Just to address the idea of Dr. Zuckerman coming to the Bellevue morning conference twice a week...that seems to be only in theory because he only came a total of 2 or 3 times in my entire 4 weeks there. He stayed for a quick morning report, did not interact with the students at all, and overall seemed completely disinterested in us. And, this is not just my opinion, but that of at least three other students I rotated with. We were all pretty disappointed with our available interaction with Dr. Zuckerman -- especially compared to those students who rotated at Joint Diseases who actually gave presentations to attendings who cared.
Maybe another problem that I had was a changing of Chiefs in the middle of my rotation, so I only really got 2 weeks with one chief and 2 weeks with 2 other chiefs, so I didn't really feel that any of them got to know us students very well.

I'm glad you're happy there, though, and I'm sure many students will have different experiences than I did.

:smokin:

bonebuster,

i had a few questions about the hjd program b/c where i'm at, noone seems to know anything about it. could you drop me an email at:

[url=mailto][email protected][/url]

thanks.