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  Thursday, 21 November 2002
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It seems that several programs have been put on probation this year. One of the residents at my home program said this is no big deal, and it happens anytime a program gets a new chairman. Does anyone know if this is true?
23 years ago
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I'm not sure if I can accurately answer your question, but I can tell you that getting a new chair does not predispose a program to probation. My program is getting a new chair this year and we are not on probation. I think some of it has to do with the state of your program at the moment that the RRC visits. I don't exactly know their requirements but I know they look for having adequate faculty and caseload (# of patients to work on). I believe they also look at academic work like conferences and research but I'm not sure what carries the most weight. I was told last year that if a program loses its chairman and doesn't replace him/her in a timely fashion it can warrant probation. UTSA may be an example of this as I've heard their chair tried to retire a couple of years ago and they have had trouble replacing him thus far, and I hear they are now on probation.

My view is that the bottom line is whether or not you see enough patients and do enough cases is all that matters. Every patient has to be staffed by some attending, so if a program sees enough volume one way or another you will learn. Some programs have lots of attending input and others have extremely high autonomy, but they all train orthopods. You might want to look at the ACGME website to learn more about probation and what it means. I don't believe there is an effort out there to cut the number of training spots, because there are plenty of jobs and the US needs new pods to come out and operate on those that need it. They are just trying to make sure that residents get enough knowledge to be good surgeons. If you are struggling to match, it would be better to match somewhere on probation than get stuck doing some other specialty.
23 years ago
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I heard Thomas Jefferson was on probation last year, any word on what their status is now?
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23 years ago
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Any other schools on probation? Other than LSU-NO and UTSA
23 years ago
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I believe your information re. thomas jefferson is incorrect. they were NOT on probation last year. who told you that they were?
Last year around this time there were all kinds of rumors about what programs were on probation. Probably 50% of the rumors were true.
Anyhow I know a resident at Jefferson and he had not heard anything about his program being on probation last year so unless it was 'double-secret probation' I don't think they were.
23 years ago
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SUNY Brooklyn is on probation
23 years ago
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hey kids--

check this out for programs' ACGME status:

23 years ago
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how do you know that Suny Brooklyn is on probation?
23 years ago
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Jefferson was not on probation last year and isn't now.
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