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  Wednesday, 15 March 2017
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EDIT:
Here is the link to fill out which programs you applied to and your stats: goo.gl/forms/jpCJCBrtpszHA2gH3

Here is a link to view the data that has been entered. The programs page is the most valuable. The region one I am still working on the formula to make it work.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PAc_rCwF...gJA/edit?usp=sharing

Reminder, this is ANONYMOUS. It does require a sign in so you can only complete it once (and edit it if you make a mistake). it DOES NOT put your e-mail or name in to the results. Note, you do not need to select an option for every row, but if you accidentally click on one you can click did not apply.

Let me know if you have any suggestions or changes.




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Hey Everyone,
Had an idea based somewhat on the match summary data that gets done every year.
Essentially, the idea is to ANONYMOUSLY enter Step 1, Step 2, and research stats, then list which programs you applied to and did not get an interview, which you got an interview invite from, which you rotated at and did/did not get an interview, and those you were wait listed at.

From this, it will be possible to report stats for each specific program regarding the average/min/max scores for people who applied, and those they actually interviewed. I think this would be very beneficial for future applicants to see some actual numbers about what alleged cutoffs a program may have. Obviously won't capture everyone, but if there is a good sample size it can help people apply more selectively to programs that they actually have a legitimate chance at getting an interview, thus saving everyone time, money, and hopefully improving everyones chances of getting interviews at programs they are competitive.

I did a test run using fictional data of 5 "people" to see what it may look like and have attached screen shots here.

If anyone has other ideas about how to improve or what information should be added/removed I can definitely make changes. I think maybe having an area where you can select regional connections (medical school, college, or permanent address) and see if that correlates at all with which schools interview those with regional connections more than others would be helpful too...but I'm not quite sure how to implement.
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Here is a link to the images...it won't let me upload for some reason
drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hBykFZpTjBbzg2UFg5UVlKcWc
9 years ago
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#59169
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Fantastic idea. Most programs have a step 1 cutoff, and if you got enough responses you could identify that cutoff. That would allow applicants to know where not to bother applying.
9 years ago
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#59170
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so you gonna do it bruh?
9 years ago
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#59171
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Done...let's start collecting some data
9 years ago
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#59172
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Good work. A few suggestions if I may, before too much data is collected:

Step 2 Released:
May be break down by when released. For example, before Sept 15 (i.e. score available with initial application), October/November (early in interview season), December (Middle of interview season), January/February (late in interview season), or did not release.

I think this could be important to see if the presence of your Step 2 scores on your application affected if people got interview invites or not.

Publications:
Maybe also added the other types of "publications" on ERAS (oral presentation, poster presentation, etc.

Other:
AOA (junior vs. senior, when programs notified (similar options as step 2 above)

Again, just my $0.02, but I think it would make the data more telling.
9 years ago
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I like it. Made the changes you suggested except the publications one. I was intending that the research projects include the podium and poster presentations, while the "Publications" be actual published papers. Does this make sense to do it this way, or should it be switched to something else?
9 years ago
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No, makes sense. My only confusion when I initially was looking at it was, "Hm, Research Projects--does this mean the number of Research Experiences I listed in the Experiences section, or the number of things I listed under publications section (and is this inclusive of peer-reviewed publications, even though it is asked for separately)."
9 years ago
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Great idea. If we really want good data, it would be awesome to see if your school would e-mail it out to all medical schools to get the widest distribution.
9 years ago
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I've thought about that...not sure how other programs would feel having a school essentially promoting publishing Step 1 cutoffs, etc. without their consent. I can bring it up with my PD and see what he thinks. Until then, maybe just go a grass roots approach and e-mail it out to all applicants you know from your school and met on the trail, and encourage that they do the same. This really only does become valuable once we get a good number of responses.
9 years ago
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Also, in the past few years, wasn't there like a google doc spreadsheet that collected more general data on people's stats and how they matched? Would be nice to get that going as well.
9 years ago
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I think it might be good to add what the status of the publication is - even if your pub is submitted it shows up as a "publication." If it's sorted how ERAS is set up for the publications, the more granular data would help people see how many ACTUAL pubs people have (PubMed vs non PubMed, accepted, submitted, etc.).

Also add research year (Yes vs No)
9 years ago
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Updated the first post to link to the results - check out the programs page to see stats for each. I'm still working on the region thing.

Let's get some more data, let's send it out to anyone who matched at your school and program and encourage them to do the same. Fastest way to get entries.
9 years ago
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#59181
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This is pretty damn awesome. I hope we can get this going and continue it for future years. Thanks for doing this!
9 years ago
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Thanks man. I think with enough responses it could be extremely valuable. Even now there are some potential trends showing up...For example, on the regional page. U of Cincinnati had 7 people apply who have connections to the midwest, and 3 got interviews, whereas 5 applied without a connection to the midwest and none got interviews.

Similarly, on the programs page, Seton Hall did not give an interview to people with scores of 221 and 236, but did give interviews to people with 242 and 251...possible 240 hard cutoff? Hard to say now but with more data will be interesting.

Everyone should e-mail it out to people they know and hopefully increase the power of the data.
9 years ago
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#59183
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Yeah, the more responses this gets, the more useful it will become
9 years ago
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Hi! Thanks for useful information. It was helpful.
8 years ago
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Hey class of 2018, this is something I put together last year and collected a good amount of data. Keep it in mind as you get interview invites/rejections and enter in your stats...the more people that respond the more useful it becomes.
8 years ago
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Can we get the current applicants to enter in some data plz? Thanks fam
8 years ago
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#59187
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Congrats to all those that matched today! For those of you you have not yet, please enter some information (anonymously) to help out those who will be applying in the future. It requires a sign in so you can only complete it once, and can go back and edit it if you make a mistake.

"From this, it will be possible to report stats for each specific program regarding the average/min/max scores for people who applied, and those they actually interviewed. I think this would be very beneficial for future applicants to see some actual numbers about what alleged cutoffs a program may have. Obviously won't capture everyone, but if there is a good sample size it can help people apply more selectively to programs that they actually have a legitimate chance at getting an interview, thus saving everyone time, money, and hopefully improving everyones chances of getting interviews at programs they are competitive."

Here is the link to fill out which programs you applied to and your stats:
goo.gl/forms/grxplbrp3ZKwoj9H3

Here is a link to view the data that has been entered. The programs page is the most valuable.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PAc_rCwF...gJA/edit?usp=sharing
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