bonedoc2be
OSRR Senior
Posts: 55
(12/19/01 10:09:46 am)
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Anyone know the national avg is for #cases by end of PGY5
I have had some programs quote me their avg, but that means nothig without something to compare it
to
orthohopeful
OSRR Junior
Posts: 46
(12/19/01 10:30:39 am)
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two cents
I don't know a natl avg, but I can tell you what some programs have quoted me.
UTSW: around 2000 (many are middle of the night trauma cases)
Mayo: 1500
UT Galveston: around 1500 (but their numbers are increasing yearly due to a new pay structure effort
they are implementing)
Long Island Jewish: between 1500-1700.
that's all I know. Hope it helps some.
Chaney3
OSRR Senior
Posts: 52
(12/19/01 11:00:50 am)
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number of cases
Geisinger: over 2000...depending on how much you want to operate...everyone has at least 1700.
I didn't ask at my other interviews...but will from now on.
This is a great thread bonedoc2be...it would be very helpful if everyone listed the number of cases of the
programs they've interviewed at.
bonedoc2be
OSRR Senior
Posts: 56
(12/19/01 12:53:57 pm)
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I got a different quote from Mayo
when i was there dr hanssen little presentation said something like 1200 (1171 i think to be exact) but
he said that these were just one of the recent chiefs numbers. However you would think that since his
point was trying to prove that the residents DO get to operate at Mayo (one of the big supposed knocks
against it) he would have picked a chief with cases on the higher side.
Interesting
bonedoc2be
OSRR Senior
Posts: 57
(12/19/01 12:55:44 pm)
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Kalamazoo
when i was there the chairman Dr Lyne said that they avg about 2200-2300 cases by the end of pgy5,
but they work with a lot of private guys so a lot of these are routine cases, not neccessarily the 3am IM
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op1
OSRR Intern
Posts: 11
(12/20/01 12:29:20 am)
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frankly, most numbers are made up
The only ones that have not seemed to have been gross guesstimates (read: rounded way up) were
those quoted at Mayo in Hanssen's talk.
What is probably much more useful than total cases performed is the resident involvement in cases that
they "do." You can watch 2500 cases holding hook without being able to do anything other than hold
hook with exceeding skill. No program that I know of is inadequately busy as a department. If anything,
most I have seen complain that they are too busy. Much more important are the variety of cases and the
involvement the residents actually experience.
Not that I mean to quell the reporting, I just think that numbers should be received with a grain of salt
and some other information. . .
OrthoDoc
Orthopedic Surgeon
Posts: 71
(12/20/01 5:44:55 pm)
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Required to keep record of cases
Each PGV at the end of their year must submit numbers outlining all cases peformed during their
residency. Some residencies make you turn in this information at the end of each rotation. They are
broken down into regional areas (hand, shoulder, spine, etc..), and some other subgroups such as
amputation and arthroscopy, and level of involvement whether primary surgeon, 1st assist, or beyond.
So each program should have a good estimate of case numbers, but the totals mean nothing. You need
to know the breakdown. You can't become a good surgeon by holding sticks for five years, so don't be
fooled by the numbers game. Ask the seniors what their involvement has been.
