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  Thursday, 24 October 2002
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Hey guys (and gals). Just wanted to post some info on my program in case any of you are considering St. Louis as a residency destination.

I'm an intern at St. Louis University in Ortho and I have a pretty good handle on what the program is like by now so here it is in my honest opinion.

City: St. Louis is a great place to live. Very affordable, great sports town, 4 seasons, has an airport that's a hub and easy to get in and out of, nice people. I moved here from Dallas and I'm much happier with this town even though I'm a southerner by birth.

Hospital: sort of an interesting mix of what you normally see in county/city hospitals and private hospitals. SLUH is owned by Tenet, a big private hospital corporation so the facilities are pretty nice and the ancillary staff is decent (better than county hospitals). Still a shortage of nurses but you get that everywhere these days. St. Louis has no city hospital as of a few years ago so all the hospitals share the indigent care and get reimbursed by the governments responsible for the indigents. There are 3 level one trauma centers in St. Louis (SLUH, Wash U, and St. John's). Wash U and SLUH share most of the trauma because St. John's is pretty far out west of the main city. SLUH is the only hospital in St. Louis that has contracts with Illinois so we get all the trauma from across the river (lots of violence over there apparently). The ER kinda sucks, but that doesn't really affect you much except when you are an intern. There is excellent rapport with the general surgery services, so that has been nice.

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PGY-1: you rotate on gen surgery services for 5-6 months, ER one month, Ortho 3 months, Pedi surg one month, Plastics one month, and another elective one month (mine is ENT for some reason). We are moving to make the intern year more appropriate with anesthesia and perhaps radiology coming, but not sure if that will happen. Call is mostly q4 on gen surg, you'll have 2-3 months q3 on Pedi and VA. Ortho call as intern is once a week with a senior at SLUH and you cover a small private hospital from home at night but only come in for cases. Second year is 4 months trauma which is pretty tough, 9 calls per month. Sleep is variable on call. Some nights you won't sit down, others you'll get a few hours rest. Then you have 4 months of Pedi ortho and 4 months at above mentioned private hospital. You take trauma or pedi call 9 times per month (q3.5). As you get more senior, your call gets less and less frequent. As chief it is all home call for 8 months then none for 4 months. There is a ton of autonomy for the ortho residents, with the senior usually taking the junior resident through cases with staff input being commensurate with the difficulty of the case. The staff is pretty small right now, with no hand surgeons except a plastics attending. The spine attending is awesome and we are actively recruiting a second spine guy. Ditto on hand staff. Our current chairman is retiring in March and his replacement is a huge trauma name from Detroit. I am told there are at least 2 other new attendings on the way as well. There is a sports/foot rotation as a pgy4 that is done with an private attending. Pedi experience is excellent with great staff members over at that hospital. The incoming chairman met with us and talked about the coming 80 work week. He acknowledges, as everyone should in my opinion, that compliance with that policy will soon be a necessity for continued existence. He expressed his sincere desire to try and make that a reality without sacrificing our operative experience. We will see how successful we are in that endeavor in the coming years. Obviously we will probably have some changes in our call etc. if we are to get down around 80 hours.

Overall I am very happy with the program I matched at. On match day I must admit that I wasn't thrilled with my result, mainly because I simply didn't know much about the program or the city until I got here. We have a great group of residents that hang out together frequently, our program churns out good surgeons, graduates get good fellowships (one got Indiana hand last year which I here is a top fellowship), we operate a ton, and the workload is large but manageable. If you are interested in the midwest then I urge you to look at our program.

Best of luck to all of you. This is a very exciting and anxiety filled time for you. It will all be over in a few months and then the real fun will begin.
23 years ago
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what other plans did dr. moed share with you guys? any plans to expand slots?
23 years ago
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hey pod2be i graduated from slu last year and i sent you some emails about housing in st louis. Remember me? how are things going in st louis? I am glad to hear that they found a replacement for dr burdge, he has been there a LONG time (way over 20 years). So where did the other two residents come from? I liked st louis a lot (the city) and I will probaly end up practicing there. What did they finally do about having to scramble for one of their spots? Good luck in st louis (cheer for the rams, they need the help!!!)
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23 years ago
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Dr. Moed really just talked asked us questions mostly about how we felt about our program and how we thought we could improve it. As far as I know there are no plans to expand the number of spots.

You never have to worry much about scrambling an ortho spot because so many great applicants don't get in. We will miss Dr. Burdge when he leaves, but we are excited about what our new chair brings as well. I welcome any other questions.

Good luck guys.
23 years ago
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I'm currently rotating on a trauma service in N.Y.C. and while discussing trauma programs my attending told me that he recntly attended the Ortho Trauma Assoc meeting in Toronto. He said that Dr. Moed was bringing Drs' Cramer, Karges, and Watson to SLU. If you've done any trauma reading at all you'll recognize those names. If true is GREAT news for SLU...not so good for Henry Ford, Wayne State or wherever they're leaving in Detroit.
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23 years ago
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I have also heard that Moed is bringing 3 others with him. Dr. Watson came down and gave a seminar to us and to the Wash U residents at the St. Louis Orthopedic society meeting. He was a fantastic teacher there, and I am told he has also signed on to come join us. I cannot confirm officially anything other than Moed, but apparently all three are coming (we got an announcement in our mailboxes about Moed). I am further told that there is some big name sports medicine attending coming in the next year to join our faculty. An additional spine surgeon is next on our wish list, but I do not know of one being hired as yet.

The overreaching point is that our program is completely rebounding from the recent departure of some faculty members, so if you hear from other places that we won't have the staff to teach residents it is simply not true. When I matched here I was hearing things like our whole staff was leaving, and obviously we are quite relieved that we will continue to have great faculty here.

Again, best of luck to all of you applicants. Try to enjoy yourselves on this harrowing journey.
23 years ago
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Hey Pod - thanks for the insightful posts. Just a few basic questions here:

1) What's the location of the medical center like -- right in the inner-city or furthur out toward the burbs? Pretty safe, or lots of broken car windows?

2) How's the quality of life for the ortho residents at SLU - better or worse than is typical for other ortho programs? Are your peers genuinely happy?

3) How many total ortho faculty members at SLU? Dr. Moed is bringing 3-4 others? Do you anticipate a long transition period while the new folks get settled? And do you think this state of flux could be detrimental to your training in the near-term?
23 years ago
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hi pod - you around? just thought i'd move this topic back to the top.

thanks.
23 years ago
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as someone who went to med school at SLU i can tell you it is NOT in the best part of town, certainly not in the suburbs. I did get my car stereo stolen my first year of med school, but had no problems after that. It does not really matter to much, as most residents/students lived somewhere else.
any other SLU questions?
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23 years ago
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What are you talking about? Dr. Moed is an awesome surgeon and will make a great chairman at SLU!
23 years ago
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Answers: SLU is not in a great part of town, but I feel safe walking to and from my car. There is the danger of parking your car there, but there is security always around and problems are generally kept to a minimum. No different from many hospitals, they are frequently surrounded by rather low income neighborhoods (not sure why that is).

Lifestyle: pretty good from what I can tell. Guys generally show up at about 6-6:30 depending on whether there's an early case or conferences. People stay anywhere from 5-7 p.m. again depending on how busy your service is that day. Call is reasonable and gets better as you get more senior. Pay is average, cost of living is low. Overall I'd say SLU is not by any means cush, but you won't get worked to death either. We do go out together and go play golf together, so we have decent time outside the hospital.

Faculty: there are 4 surgeons at SLUH itself right now full time and a few that operate there part time. There are a bunch out at St. Mary's, but not sure how long we will keep covering them with the 80 hour work week rules looming. Next door at the children's hospital there are 2 or 3 fulltime (haven't been over there yet so I don't know how busy). If all five of those that I hear are coming do so then we will be considerably busier. I'd say we definitely need the faculty that are coming, but many more than that would make it difficult to keep all their cases covered by our small number of residents.

I can't comment on what it is like to work with Dr. Moed as I have only seen him in meetings. The resident autonomy at SLU is currently very high, but I don't think that any institutions will just let a resident fly on a complex pelvic case. If my acetabulum were wrecked I'd want the attending to do most of the case as well, for whatever that's worth.

Anyway. All programs are different, and obviously won't be a great fit for every resident's goals, but we have a good one here for what I want and I'm very optimistic about the direction we are taking.
23 years ago
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Hey Hulk,
Any other words of advice about Wayne State (that hasn't already been posted somewhere on this site)? I'm really considering dropping this interview, but would like to get a few more under my belt first.
23 years ago
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IMnailer,
You should definitely GO to the interview. It will not likely be your first choice, but I'm pretty sure everyone who interviews ranks it. Detroit is not such a bad town and you're exposed to at least 6 different hospital settings. The residents there were pretty cool overall.
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