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  Thursday, 19 March 2009
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I should not be the one starting this thread but I can't wait for you guys to let us know about the match. Please, Please post below your info that include:
1. USMLE score
2. How many you ranked
3. Top three programs
4. How many research/publications
5. Any advice for the next generation of hopefuls.
17 years ago
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Med School: Northeast Primary Care Med School
Class rank: Top 10
Step I: 253
Step 2: 260 ( submitted in time for ERAS and many programs mentioned that they were impressed I took it early despite my step 1) My advice take it early, most people do much better on Step 2 than step 1.
AOA: senior AOA
Preclinical Grades: Half honors, half pass
Clinical Grades: All Honors except for Family Medicine
Research: 1 project with a poster presentation, 1 case presentation, no pubs
Extracurricular: the usual, president of interest society and other organizations that were hardly ever mentioned…
Applied: 45
Invites: 31
Attended: 16
Ranked: 17 (1 had 5 and 6 yr. option)

Rank List broken down into 3 tiers, I’m Lazy and don’t really feel like writing everything I remember about these programs. I made my list more based on location as you can see by the fact that every program I interviewed at was in a major city… Most of the programs are very similar and you well see that when you start interviewing. See how you vibe with the residents and faculty, and go somewhere that will make you happy. In regards to rotating, chose a place where you think you can get in, or a place that interviews all of their rotators. There is nothing worse than rotating somewhere and than not being offered an interview. This whole process is a game. Don’t be a cocky douche, smile, and be humble. Make sure you plan and play the game right…
Tier 1
UPENN
MIAMI
NYU_HJD
Thomas Jefferson
Mt. Sinai
Howard University
Tier 2
Rush
USC
St. Lukes Roosevelt
Georgetown
Albert Einstein Bronx
UPenn 6 year
Tier 3
UIC
LIJ
Albert Einstein Philly
UMDNJ
Temple

Matched at one of my Tier 1 Programs
17 years ago
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I think ArthoscopicSpine had a great post... thanks! I mean, it seems to me that there really are 2 issues at play for most folks:

The first is "getting an interview". This is accomplished by being realistic with your application... basically most places are looking for 220+ boards, top 1/2 of class, and something else "interesting" about your application, whether it's research, job experience, unique (but not TOO unique) personal statement, ties to the geographic location, or the obvious personal phone call. LET FEAR BE YOUR GUIDE, as it's waaay better to over-apply and have the LUXURY of cancelling interviews than to under-apply then wind up wishing you'd dropped another $200 to apply to a few more places.

The second is the "interview day". This is your chance to be super-kind and polite to EVERYONE you meet, from the residents on the night-before to the janitor cleaning the bathrooms to ALL of the Ortho office staff. Most programs would be happy with most of the interviewees, and they understand that "FIT" is pre-eminent: they gotta like you and you gotta like them. Here, I disagree that you have to "play the game". You're only screwing yourself to kiss a$$ at a place where, if you matched, you'd hate yourself.

With that said, I applied to 50 places, took 15 interviews, and probably only really thought I'd be happy at 5 of them. I matched at my 1st choice which was actually my first interview, where I did NOT rotate, but I DID go on a second-look... these say a LOT more than a "you're my #1 email" or the generic "thank-you note" (<--your interviewers KNOW that it only makes rational sense for you to bullst and cut-and-paste all those thank-yous). Don't sell-out: if you like a place and didn't rotate there, GO BACK to learn about the everyday life you're hoping to bear.
17 years ago
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I didnt match the first time, so this goes to all of you this year that didnt match, but had excellent applications. Keep your heads up!!!! It will work out in the end.

Med School: No name/rank in south
Class rank: Not sure, probably top 5
Step I: 252
Step II: 259
First yr: 1/2 Honors, 1/2 Pass
2nd yr: All H
3rd yr: All H except surgery and FP
4th yr: All H, except a HP at HSS away (have no idea why, when I checked I was graded by someone I never met)
Research: Did a research year after not matching. Had a bunch of stuff written down in ERAS, but no pubs.

Applied: 74 programs (re-applicants you have to apply broadly)
Invites: 29 (I had 11 the previous yr, this yr I got 6 re-interviews from the same places I went to last year, and a bunch of interviews from places that rejected me last yr)
Attended: 18
Canceled: a bunch and it made me nervous
Ranked:20 (couple of 6 yr tracks)

Rank List:

Honestly I would have been thrilled at any of my top 10 places. I literally moved my number 1 to 7 the night before and number 9 to 2. I really would have been happy at any of these places

Top 8 (in no particular order):

Baylor
Emory
NYU-HJD
Rush
UPenn
Vandy
Wash U


other places I still would have been happy at:

Case Western
Dartmouth
JPS
Michigan
USC
U of Florida
UT-Houston
UT-SW
UT-San Antonio


Places I didnt want, but at least I'd be doing ortho:

Ohio State
LSU
Any 6 yr

Matched at my # 3 and I couldn’t be happier, it had been as high as # 1 on my list and as low as #7. I really think it’s probably the best fit for me, would have been my #1 if not for family reasons, but im still there anyways. Everything happens for a reason, I really believe that now!! As far as ranking goes, many personal decisions have to be made when this list is due, it's crazy!!! I use to read these posts and think how can someone not rank a Wash U or Rush # 1. In the end they were my 8 and 9. For those of you that didnt match, I think the most important thing is to get someone to write you a crazy good LOR and be willing to go to bat for you. Programs call each other even just to decide if they will give interviews. I was told by my letter writers multiple times that they received calls about me, asking why I didn’t match and if I should get a interview.

Another piece of random advice, it may be complete BS but do not do a away at HSS unless you are from a big name med school. I felt like other programs look down on you or think you’re cocky if you rotate at HSS. It may be a coincidence, but I have met a lot of great candidates that rotated at HSS and dont match.


Good Luck to all and sorry for the late post. I just got back from VEGAS BABY!!!!
PM with any Q's
17 years ago
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Thanks for the posts, everyone. These are truly appreciated, and I believe, will help a lot of us. If you are part of this forum and think reading previous such posts helped prepare for this year, you will be giving back by posting your experience as well. Again thanks to all those that posted and those that are yet to post.
17 years ago
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17 years ago
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Posting your ROL and why you ranked them there would probably be more helpful than just listing your interviews and then saying "I got my #x."
17 years ago
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I agree that it is helpful if posters explain why they liked or didn't like a program, but in the end the ROL is a product of personal preferences and I don't think the actual numbering really helps that much. Feel free to disagree.
17 years ago
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It would also be helpful if you could fill out a review for any program you have rotated at to help the future applicants.
17 years ago
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No, I agree; The great thing about these threads is seeing people's impressions regarding various programs. The exact ROL, where someone matched, and where that program was on that person's list are all secondary.
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When i started medical school I thought I wanted to go into a life of psychos and suicidal ideations, but I soon realized that psych was not the career for me. A very wise and helpful Orthopedic Surgeon at our school ( lets call him the associate spine director of a program that consists of only two spine docs...go figure) helped me see the light durring a small encouter that I had with him while in clinic during 2nd year. I presented a patient who had a fracture of who knows what bone to him. Being the future psychiatrist I was, I concentrated on the patients feelings of depression and inadequecy instead of the problem at hand. It was then he said those unforgetable words..."You know, you're not too good at that psych stuff. But don't worry, Ortho is a pretty good field to go into as well." Though my friends thought that he was just mocking me, I took those words to heart and was on my way. I had no idea what it took, but in the end, it didn't matter! I matched my #1!!!

MS1/2: Most Passes, Two conditionals...but I made them up with honors.
MS3: All Passes, except an Honor in Psych (No suprize) and Ortho
MS4: More of the same, passes with honors in ortho. (Haven't done my medicine AI yet, hopefully I pass.)
Step 1: Honestly, failed the first time I took it. Got a 189, hey, I passed!
Step 2: Improvement! 197
AOA: what's that?
Aways: Just one, at a top west coast program.
Interviews: 4, though I think 3 were just because of my chair's LOR.

Would rather not go into my ROL for various reasons, but lets just say that at the place I rotated the other rotators all had 260's. My aunt works in the ortho office. Interviews went, well, as good as they could have considering my outstanding paper application...lets be honest, I have no buisness in medicine, let alone ortho. But, with hard work, a smile, and some good old "elbow" grease, a hard working boy from california can go a "long" way.

I ended up only ranking 1, because the other programs told me point blank I had no chance--told me I should go into psych. Monday came and I had matched!!! Won't say where because I don't want anyone to know who I am, but lets just say I'm the new rice-a-roni (you know, the san fransisco treat). Look forward to meeting all of my fellow interns. Especially my fellow rotator from DC! Life's a bitch, and then you match ortho! If I can do it, so can you! Good Luck all! PM me with any questions or comments.
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So aside from the fact that reading these kinds of posts, from this year and previous years, is entertaining...looking back on how many times i looked at this site in the year leading up to match day, I think advice is more helpful than board scores. You all know what you need to do as far as grades and boards and letters, and how well you should perform on rotations. You have to do the best you can. That being said, this is what I learned from this ridiculous process:

1. When you choose your away rotations, and please hammer this into your head, think about where you want to live for five years AND the quality of the program. I'm saying this because I rotated at great programs, but then when all was said and done and I had to make my rank list, I couldn't imagine living in those places and I was upset with myself. It sounds like a boneheaded thing to do, but at the time I really just was thinking about wanting the best training possible. Just remember the where is just as important as the quality...you will care, even if you think you wont. At the same token, if your grades dont support your application to the area that you want to live on, youll have to go for your #2 location. Dont waste time with miami or san diego if youre not realistically competitive. Because even if knock a rotation out of the park and you have a 200 on step I, theres another guy who rotated there just as hard working as you (most of us applying are hard working which is why the interviewers never want to hear this as a personal quality) and also has higher than a 240.

2. If you are a 1st or 2nd year reading this...for the love of G-d...just go study for step I. Its like six weeks out of seventy eighty ninety years...and you dont want to be pissed at yourself twenty years from now. Force yourself to study. Step I is what you need to get interviews, not to match.

3. The whole debate on who you should ask for a letter. Most programs allow 4...a few said only 3, some wanted a letter outside of ortho..some wanted a chief resident. The other question is...do you get a letter from someone well known who won't know you that well, or do you get a letter from a nobody who will say you are the best student he has ever seen? From my experience, watching all of my interviewers read my letters in front of me...if they didn't know the guy, or never heard about him...they would skip it and move on to the next one. If i had a letter from someone that was known, they would read it and say..ohhh i like that guy, then it didnt really matter if it wasnt a top 5% students all time letter. So when youre thinking about who to ask, first ask yourself...where do I want to go for residency. Do you want to go to Miami? Get someone who would be known in miami to write you a letter. And there is always one guy in every institution that is known by someone somewhere, you just have to find them. Some may disagree...might say the no name letter is just as good....im just sharing my experience.

4. Do research...doesnt have to be published at time of interview...you need to talk about it inteligently, be able to speak about the impact of the research...what you would have done differently, where the work will go in the future...clinical impact. As long as they think you will be capable of handling a project as a resident, you'll be fine.

5. Personal statement- tell a story. Pick something that happened to you in your life and write about it. Doesnt have to be about ortho. Its not an ortho statement. its about you. They can look at your application and find out all they need about your aptitude to be a surgeon...the whole point of this is for them to learn something else about you, and to give them something to talk to you about in your 10-20 mins with them. The whole reason you are interviewing is so they can find a reason why you are better than everyone else. Talking about football for 20 mins doesnt make you different than most other people. Talk about something you like doing and teach them about it.

6. Don't be a jackass on your away rotations. There was one rotation i did where the med student was way to chumy with the residents and fellows, and i was told on my last day of the rotation that they hated him. Just do your work, be nice, try to be around when things are happening. Don't sit and watch people do things, always try and help. Make sure you have trauma sheers and learn how to make splints. Take call when you can. And try your best to make a good first impression, because it makes the rest of the month much easier and pleasant. You will learn a lot of some rotations and will get to do a lot if you are just a person thats easy to get a long with.

7. Make sure your letter writers get your letters in by the last week of september. Some of these attendings are very busy or very lazy, or both...and you just have to ask and ask and ask...ask them and their secretaries. They might not remember what it was like, but there are some programs that send out invites early, and you dont want to miss out on these because of slow writers. If you dont feel like they will get there stuff in on time, get someone else to write for you, its not a bad idea to have an extra letter lined up. Most attendings are nice and are willing to help with letters as long as you helped them a bit during your time with them.

8. I read Hoppenfelds orthopedic surgery book before cases...taught me approaches and explained certain points that i got asked about in the or. Try your best to learn anatomy, its what you are asked about most.

9. Thank you notes....i liked that some programs said not to even bother because they make their rank lists the same day as the interview. I dont see any reason not to send thank you's, but i dont think it will make or break anything. just dont be lazy, if you have time...it wont hurt.

10. Schedule your fourth year AI's early...spots at good places fill up fast and you can get screwed over. Its almost april...you should be done applying or finishing up.

Good luck
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