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  Tuesday, 30 March 2004
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I am a senior resident in Orthopedics who has kept an eye on this site for a while. The topic of 'how do I do well on my away rotations' comes up quite a bit and here are just my two cents. I have had a lot of medical students who have rotated on my service, and I think most residents can tell on the first day who will be good and who will just get in the way.

First, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Establish yourself as a hard worker from day one. If you start off as a slacker, it will take you a long time to dig yourself out of a hole. Residents talk amongst each other and with their faculty. Don't get off to a bad start because everyone will know very quickly and it will be hard to change that perception. If you establish yourself as a hard worker right away, that reputation sticks with you also. Go the extra mile. Don't just wait for your resident to ask you to do something. Show some initiative.

Second, you MUST read for the cases that you are involved in. Don't come to the OR without knowing your anatomy, because that is invariably the only thing that most faculty will pimp you on. If you know the other stuff, that makes you look better. If you don't know your anatomy, you are digging a hole.

Third, make the life of your residents easier, NOT HARDER. I can't tell you how many medical students rotate through our service that make things MORE difficult. They are the ones that never seem to help out when you are most in need. Here are a few ways you can be helpful:
--Write notes on all your patients. Any patient that you admitted, or operated on is your patient. If you have extra time, write notes on patients that are not yours (BUT NEVER on another student's patient). I can't tell you how happy I get when I go to the chart and the note is already written. My favorite students are the ones that I tell to meet me at a certain time, and when I get there, most of the work is done. I understand no one wants to get up at the crack of dawn or stay late, but that is how you get noticed.
--work efficiently, not redundantly. If your resident is putting on a splint in the ER, help with writing the note or putting in the orders. It is frustrating to have you WATCH us put on the splint, then WATCH us write the note, then WATCH us write the orders...get the idea
--write the post-op orders (ask how to do it the first time, then take some initiative) and help wheel the patient out of the room. Don't just stand there.
--see as many patients in clinic as you can. Trust me, it is noticed by both the residents and the faculty. The worst thing you can do is chart-pick. For those of you who don't know, that is picking up the chart, seeing that it is something complicated or undesirable (e.g. infection), and putting the chart down. All the residents notice and it does not make a good impression. We all love the students who see a patient, present and move right on to the next one. It make our lives easier!
--finally, and most importantly, be personable. All of us want to add people to our program that we will get along with. If you are constantly kissing ass, answering questions for other students, and always in a bad mood, then no one is going to want to have you there. Your away rotation is a one month long interview. Be yourself, but always put your best foot forward. In the long run, the best medical students are those that are hard workers, know their S#*T, and are fun to be around.

Hope that was helpful.
22 years ago
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This is good sh*t man. Wish I had this before I rotated.
22 years ago
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yes, this is great info, and i agree with pretty much all of it. But for those of you that will be doing aways in the future.......relax. It is my opinion that you can't fool people for a month. PERIOD. (maybe a very small % can) Just be yourself. Hardworkers will work hard, and those who slack will slack. It's all a matter of fitting in!!! Some places the residents will expect more than at other places, so it really is sort of subjective. When i rotated, i'd ask to do stuff and at one particular place i remember, if you went too far Above and Beyond, that would have annoyed them. Another instance was a night i was to be on call, and there was a senior and an intern (usually only 1 resident on call/interns just pick their days....and just happened that the intern was on that night as well), and they told me to go home. I was like...well, it's my call night, i have no problem staying....make a long story short.....i ended up going home. And you know what they told me later......They were much happier that i didn't beg to stay and act like a martyr when they told me go home and enjoy my Friday night.
My point is.....it is all relative, and depends on the residents. Just work hard (like you should be doing anyway) and see if you fit it and how the residents are in general. It only takes a few days/1 week to get a feel. This is a real hard topic to discuss by typing. i just see so many 3rd years worrying about everything.....there is no point in worrying b/c if they like you, they like you. if they don't, they don't. If yo work hard, it'll get noticed. If you kiss ass, that will get noticed too. I think it's really common sense stuff (at least 95%) and then there's that 5% grey area that makes everyone tense......it sucks, but it'll all work out. sorry so long
22 years ago
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I'm thinking of doing some "informal" mini-clerkships (i.e. 1-2 weeks) on top of the 1 home & 2 aways, b/c I have some gaps in my schedule and want to be a familiar face when interview time comes around. Chee - given what you said above, what is your take on that?
22 years ago
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i have 2 thoughts on that:
1) depending on how your schedule is set up (i did a total of 3 ortho months) 3 months is tough. I definitely wouldn't have wanted to do anymore rotations. Now, if you have breaks in btwn your rotations and you feel you will still be "fresh," then go ahead. However, just b/c YOU call these "informal", doesn't mean that residents and staff aren't going to be doing their usual evaluation of you, and expecting you to do things, of course.....my point being, after 3 months of ortho, it may be tough to look like a strong student b/c you will be fatigued.
2) Now, instead of doing these informal rotations, remember you can always...after interviewing at a place......go back for a 2nd look. So if you have some gaps in your schedule, it may be more helpful to you to plan some free time Jan/Feb when interviews are ending. that way if you really like a place you did not rotate at....you can call them up and THEN do your "informal" visit. And you probably won't be as tired as you were after your 3 ortho months. Hope that makes sense....
22 years ago
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I guess what I mean by "informal" is not-for-credit. I still plan on working hard as if it were an actual rotation - just an abbreviated one. Thanks for the advice however.
22 years ago
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i think that sacrificing your vacation time to do more rotations besides three is generally well taken by programs......it shows you are committed and particularly interested in their program since you gave up vaca time which is precious in 4th year..........the 2nd look is always a great idea too since it shows you are really interested in that program esp. after interviewing.... but it is after the interview so it clearly won't help you get the interview...
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I think that was by far the most important submission that i have ever read on this site. Thanks!
21 years ago
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20 years ago
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i have 2 thoughts on that]


Dear all,

I have been reading the advice posted on here very carefully, and found it, thus far, EXTREMELY helpful.

I have a quick question -- regarding the number of away rotations that I should do. Ideally, I "think as of now" that I would like to get into a residency program in CA. I just really love that state. Fortunately, I have a lot of time for electives/away rotations and can start as early as my 3rd yr. So, how many places should I do away rotations in?

I m clueless as to the number of rotations, the timing, and which locales are better for what....

any advice is greatly welcomed!

sincerely,
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Well, since I'm in the thick of interviews and don't know whether or where I will match this may mean a little less, but here is what I've learned based on the interviews I've received and gone on.

I too wanted to be in Cali or at least the west coast (I'm sick of the Midwest), and did my 3 aways on the west coast.

As far as the right number of aways, it really depends on how much stamina you think you have. I personally, would not have wanted to do another rotation, especially after being worked to death at UC Davis. On the other hand my St. Mary's rotation was very cushy (no call) and a needed break in between my other aways. If you could find a couple of easy aways like St. Mary's doing 4 or even 5 months would be tolerable. Unfortunately I don't know of any other easy away rotation like them.

The more important reason I'm replying is to warn you about doing all of your aways in Cali. It's probably not a great idea, and here's why. You're putting all you eggs in one basket, and it's a very competitive basket. While you are increasing your chances of matching into California, by getting yourself in the door at some places and perhaps showing your desire to other Cali programs, you are also showing other programs throughout the country that you don't want to go anywhere else. Every program figures out where you did your aways by seeing where your LOR's are from (assuming you get a LOR from each away). Also, once you get the interviews, every interview I have been on I've been asked about my aways, and places like UNC seemed reasonably unsure about my willingness to go elsewhere.

You also have to figure in that the Cali programs, especially the UC's are extremely competitive. I was told by a student that matched from my school last year, that you don't have a chance if your Step 1 isn't above 250. I didn't believe him at the time, but now that I only have interviews from the places I rotated at, and USC (they interview everyone under the sun), I believe it a little more. I have met residents at UC Davis, and I'm sure there are examples everywhere with residents well under 250, but I?ll bet almost all of them rotated there and made a favorable impression. Again, it's great to increase your chances where you really want to go, but don't scare away then rest of the country because matching into Cali is hard.

If you are inspired to do more than 3 aways, I would not recommend doing more than 2 on the west coast; spread the other 2 throughout the country. Now that I know how great some of the other programs in the country are (UNC comes to mind), I wish I had rotated at places like that as well. Furthermore, if you care about cost of living, which you should at least a little, Cali is truly unreasonable compared to the rest of the country, especially the Midwest and south.

I hope his helps.
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