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not trying to get people up in arms about this, but i'd just like to get a sense of how the different california programs are regarded around the nation at the current time. some of them have gone through big changes recently, so i just wanted to hear people's thoughts on them, especially the residents and the rotators. thanks for your input and good luck with the match.
16 years ago
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The programs in cali have changed.

It appears (from the interview's) that Stanford is turning much more academic (good or bad????)

UCLA has much more operative experience vs the past (but still the best lifestyle)

St. Mary's is a great community program that has evolved and is moving up in the ranks.

UCD and Stanford still rank high in terms of reputation.

Good lifestyle:

UCSD still tops, but work to education value has changed

Best trauma:
USC and harbor UCLA

Best Sports:
Stanford

Best PEDs:
Davis without a doubt

Best Arthritis:
UCLA, UCSF, Stanford

Least academic (bonus points for some)
St. Mary's, Loma Linda

Cush lifestyle:

UCLA


Take all of this with a grain of salt as it is all second hand rumors.
16 years ago
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Why do so many current fourth year students, particularly those that have rotated on the UCSF service, believe that the program is "malignant." What does this imply.
16 years ago
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UCLA has much more operative experience vs the past (but still the best lifestyle)

Good lifestyle]

I guess I'm confused as to what constitutes the change in "work to education value" and how to distinguish between "best"/"tops"/"cush" lifestyles. Could you elaborate?
16 years ago
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UCLA has much more operative experience vs the past (but still the best lifestyle)

Good lifestyle]

I guess I'm confused as to what constitutes the change in "work to education value" and how to distinguish between "best"/"tops"/"cush" lifestyles. Could you elaborate?


I agree completely. It shows how subjective theses posts are. Beware of what you read on here.
15 years ago
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I was wondering how competative UCSF is? Can anybody tell me what they look for in an applicant? Ie. Step 1 range, grades, etc.
15 years ago
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Also, Does anyone know who the best attending to get a letter from at the General?
15 years ago
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Any thoughts on UCSF-Fresno?
15 years ago
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Brand new, therefore no track record. Has to be considered last choice in California till proven otherwise since all the other programs are very respectable.
15 years ago
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Perhaps disinformation to scare off the competition? Rotated there. Hard working, but not malignant by a long shot. Hope I kill the interview there next week.
15 years ago
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Agreed. Fresno is likely the last-place school in Cali, as it is completely new and is still in the "We'll interview 100 people for our 3 spots" phase. Furthermore, though w the ucsf banner, it is well over a hundred miles from San Fran or even the coast. Finally, being new, most of the top academic faculty in California are already associated w other programs.

I know Stanford or UCLA are likely the most academic. In terms of funding and productivity.

The other UC programs are somewhere in the middle, but each has their individual strengths, already mentioned here:
Davis - Peds
SF - Joints
Irvine - Hand
Harbor - Trauma
15 years ago
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I'm a UCSD resident - was disappointed that no other residents had shared some positive points about UCSD - so thought I'd say a few things.

UCSD is often over-looked as being nothing more than located in San Diego, and therefore residents have a great life and no one gives it much more thought. But if you believe that, you'll be selling yourself short.

The program here at UCSD is robust, educational, balanced, and very enjoyable. We have a great diversity of hospitals (VA, Childrens, Community, Private, Kaiser) and a range of attendings from young and just out of fellowship (great teachers, let you do a lot, fun to work with) to older and well-established (great wisdom, high expectations, make you a better person/surgeon).

The residents are equally diverse and come from a variety of backgrounds with a broad spectrum of hobbies and interests. We're overall very hard-working, we all get along, and we still have time to enjoy San Diego.

Not much needs to be said about San Diego - it's the greatest city in the world. Last Sunday (literally...December 12th 2010) I was at the beach because it was 85 degrees outside. Where else can you do that?

But....don't discount San Diego's other advantages - namely that we're 20 miles from Mexico and serve much of the South-West United States. For those two reasons, our trauma experience is amazing due to a combination of border jumpers, Mexican patients (failed treatments in Mexico), and desert injuries (ATV/dune buggies). The Children's hospital is always ranked in the top 3 for Orthopaedics, the Hand service regularly has top ratings, and our chairman is a spine surgeon and thus that is another strength. We have hired fellowship trained surgeons in foot/ankle, oncology, sports, and joints - all within the last two years! As you can see, we're committed to improving every specialty in orthopaedics, and we're doing a great job.

In addition to all this, we have a great operative experience and all of our chief residents go on to match at top their top-choice fellowships, which are always the top-rated ones around the country.

One thing that makes us unique is a dedicated research year during PGY-2. Many applicants falsely believe this is a disadvantage of the program. From my perspective, and the perspective of the program, the research year is one of the things that makes the residents and the program so strong. Everyone has the potential to get MULTIPLE publications based on original clinical and basic science research during that year. That means that when you graduate, your CV looks way better than everyone else you're interviewing against. Just like when applying to residency... everyone "looks good on paper," but if you have 10 publications and the guy next to you has 1 case report - you're gonna look like a rockstar. Those publications also get you a better/higher paying job down the road, so the "year of lost earnings" will certainly pay itself back significantly.

Additionally, during that research year residents actually have time to read up on Ortho - something that every says they want to do during intern year, but nobody actually has time to do. That's one of the reasons we score well on the in-training exam.

Lastly, if you had a "research" year, where would you want to spend it? San Diego... of course. Even with research and studying, it's a totally chill year and many residents use that time to get married, have children, take significant vacations, work in 3rd world countries, etc...

Overall, UCSD is an incredibly well-balanced program with the STRENGTH of a research year that is not matched by any other California program, and maybe not any program anywhere.

If you were lucky enough to be offered an interview at UCSD - we look forward to meeting you in January. If you have any questions in advance of your visit, please feel free to PM me.
15 years ago
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Hrm.. UCSF fresno.

I interviewed at this place, and yes it is new, and everyone has its reservations. However, I actually really liked the program.

It's run mostly by traumatologists, as they do see a lot of trauma. My understanding is that they have two dedicated ortho rooms running every day. They also had a decent private practice / sports setup. They also operate out of kaiser permanente.. Seems like a good place.

A variety of the trauma attendings trained at good places like tampa and harbor.


The attendings seemed very friendly, and good guys to work with. This would definitely a place that you would grow with, and get a LOT of operating experience as a junior. They also have PA's which means you wouldn't have to deal with as much scut work.

The 100 / 3 ratio is not true, it's like 30-60/3. Anyway, I would definitely take a serious look at this program, especially if you're not the best candidate, you can use their 'newbie' aspect of their program to your advantage.

-iliiz
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