I was just wondering if any veterans or present 4th years out there have done away rotations at either of these programs and what their thoughts/experiences were...also, more importantly, did you feel you were isolated from the rest of the program given you didn't have any time at the adult hospitals with other attendings that may (?) play more of a role in the app. process? (i.e chairman, program directors etc-it seems, and I may be totally off here, that the peds guys at the above hospitals may play only a minimal role in the selection process)