Mount Carmel

ive met two people who rotated there and loved it. i was told that it is very difficult to get an interview without doing an away rotation... i know i didnt get one.

scutwork.com is also a good site that you may want to visit.

I didn't rotate and was fortunate to receive an interview invite. Although, your chances of being ranked high are slim if you do not rotate or spend a day with them. They do interview ALL of their rotators.

I spent the day with the PD and residents, all super nice and all seemed to get along VERY well. Academics were solid, good conferences, early operative experience, and MANY perks. All residents are funded for a laptop, books, conferences, etc. Not to mention that they scored extremely well on the OITE's.

Solid program, one of the best community programs in my opinion. Don't take my word for it though, I think a rotation there will sell you on the program.

CP

Thanks. If anyone else can add to the info that would be great.

awesome program. very lifestyle friendly. a ton of early operative experience. PD is a great guy. lots of perks. residents moonlight a ton and make around six figures. I rotated there, loved it, ranked it #1 but didn't match there. They are huge on rotators, but they are also into pretty high board scores it seems. I tanked step 1 but was solid on step 2, but I know my step 1 hurt me. Anyway PM me if you have specific questions, but I would strongly suggest rotating there.

jpr1624 I pm'd you

I spent a few weeks there and agree with the above posts.....however what I didn't like where two of the following. # 1 I didn't think they were busy enough, I found that the # of cases and amount of time in clinic were below average.....In my opinion if you have time to moonlight then you really aren't busy enough! They do spend some time at level I trauma center during their upper years but only a few months....my biggest caveat is the volume....loved the PD and guys though

# 2. During their 3rd year they have a 6 month block of just research/basic science and anatomy dissections...they do not operate or see patients...simply they are responsible for dissecting a cadaver, studying basic science and doing presentations.....each of the 3rd years, there only 2 residents per class, do this....you do take some call but you do not operate for 6 months during your third year.

jpr1624,

Do you agree withmost recent post?

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I agree with the fact they do a basic science block during which time they don't have OR responsibilities....but that doesn't mean they don't have OR opportunities if they want them. At times they don't seem to be too busy, but part of that is misleading because they don't have much scut work to do so in my opinion that is why at times they seem less busy. They operate alot. (If I remember right the chiefs right now will have logged over 2600 cases). I do also agree with the trauma comment. Atleast when I was on call there, in 5 or so nights I never saw a trauma. You do however spend time over at the busiest trauma center in central ohio as either a third or a fourth (I think one of the two in each class does it as a three and one as a four) where you get good trauma exposure, but it is later in your training. PD and guys are all great. I think the two main weaknesses in training are no tumor guy at all (which for me would be a plus) and the lack of a steady flow of trauma throughout the 5 years. Overall, those guys are solid in the OR, good at managing post op patients, and when they graduate they are ready to go right into general ortho if they choose. Those that do fellowships (most do) seem to go where they want to go. I think you have to find a program that fits your personality and what you are looking for. I think it's a huge plus to be able to log a lot of cases and have time to moonlight. If you want to PM me with specifics as to what you are looking for in a program I can try to help you out. Hope this helps.

Just remember that a solid program has both great operative and clinical experience...the ACGME has guidelines that a resident has to see ~ 10 patients a week...that is a very very ridiculously low minimum....clinic is very important in training, although painful to do, you have to manage pre and post op patients, complications etc....you know what I am getting at.

ebo,
you don't feel tey get enough? What was your feeling of how good their upper levels were? pm me if you want it private.

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I rotated there last year and this is my opinion on the program:

I ranked them #1 but matched to my #2 spot. The guys all get along great and their two new guys both interviewed on my day and they seem like good guys too, for what that's worth. they also have the rumor of applying to get another resident... I don't know much about that though.

Regarding the critiques above, the residents all do their uninsured population clinic 1/2 day on Wed afternoon and the pgy 3-5s all see ~15 pts each (the younger guys seem a bit slower, to be expected, and see ~5-10). They also do a 1/2 day in a private attending's office during a post call day. That is more than enough clinic for me. Where Im at Ill be doing 2 days/week sometimes of clinic.

For trauma, do a rotation there in the summer (june-august) and you'll see some good trauma action. I saw 2 pelvis fractures and multiple open fx's ranging from small grade I's to nasty grade III's. They are level 2, so the harcore multiple limb trauma pts seem to go to grant hospital in columbus, which they rotate at during their 4th year I think. they get a ton of the bread and butter ER stuff though, and let the students do a ton of reductions/etc. on call. if you rotate, try to take call with the older residents - they let us do a ton.....

Moonlighting was a nice perk for them - they all make ~100k by the sounds of it. Its mostly during weekends, which can suck, but its elective. They go to two other hospitals in town, including their sister hospital in town, which is the busiest ER overall in town (in regards to pt visits). The fx's they'd present at monday morning fx conference from moonlighting was a wide variety of stuff, and the attendings at this other hospital are also ~85% fellowship trained in every subspecialty except onc.

For the basic science thing - they only have the basic science/anatomy for 3 months, not 6 months - they only operated when they wanted to escape the cadaver or were on call (not exempt from call). They also do 3 months of basic science in the last 1/2 of their 2nd year, but they still operate and have clinical responsibilities. The basic science guy when I was there was doing his spine rotation at the east hospital (10 min away) during my month, in addition to his basic science lectures.

Casewise, they all get 2300+ cases by the time they're done. One of the guys who was a chief when I was there had almost 2700 cases. He did some extra hand rotations his chief year, which helped bump that, im sure, but still, that seems like a ton. most places i ranked had ~2000-2300. watch out for the places that say they are under 2000.

The only bad part of rotating there as a student is that you cant go to either of the 3 outpatient surgery centers that they use, or the east hospital. that made some days slower for the other students and i, but we didnt ever see any resident sitting around bored, thats for sure.

The perks there were the best out of anyone, hands down (laptop, lead vests, texts, conferences, food, and who knows what the hell else). they had a 98th and 99th percentile on the OITE as a program the last 2 years and one of my classmates who matched at OSU said mount carmel got a 100th percentile on this last year's test. Im not sure that should make or break where you go, but im sure its comforting for those guys to get those scores.

Ok, Ive written enough. This is what too much coffee and some downtime on call will do. You can pm me if you want, as Im not writing any more about them. I was disappointed I didnt match there, but Im happy where Im at.

Understand that they do their trauma rotations at Grant hospital in the winter not during the heavy trauma summer months.

Above is not true. The residents do 3 months at Grant and this time of year varies by what ever the scheduled time is. Not just over the winter. I rotated there this year and really liked the program

believe me - acetabulum knows what he's talking about when it comes to trauma at grant hospital.

so what are you saying?? is she/he a resident/fellow at Grant, or something??