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Has anybody had experience with orthopedic programs overseas (Western Europe, Eastern Europe, etc)... I want to do a 4th year clerkship overseas and would love to get some feedback from those who have done the same, or overseas residents/docs, thanks
22 years ago
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A friend of mine and I looked into this pretty extensively. None of the big overseas programs (ie: Orthopedics Overseas, etc.) have any options for medical students. If this is something that you want to do, you basically have to set up a rotation privately with an orthopedic department at a medical school in the country you would like to visit. However, my advice to you would be not to waste one of your ortho months on an overseas elective. Use all of your ortho months doing externships in the US to maximize your chances of matching, and do overseas months in the spring using rotations that you care less about. I have done many overseas experiences, and they are mainly good for seeing how the medical systems work in different countries, the differences in treatment options, and the opportunity to get some traveling in. They are rarely good for expanding your knowledge base in your field of interest. So, I would recommend that since you want to be an orthopedic surgeon that you use your ortho months to learn as much as you can since that is the only thing from medical school that will ever be of any use to you, and use the abroad month to do radiology, anesthesia, or internal medicine--and do it in the spring when you are able to arrange some additional travel time along with your rotation. (If you are dead set on doing an ortho month abroad though, just start contacting schools with ortho programs in the countries where you are looking to go. You can also contact the international studies offices at different US schools to get some help--some are very good and some don't even have one. I know that the University of Nebraska is extremely helpful.)
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I spent some time looking into this as well. I'm a rising 4th year and am currently scheduled to do an ortho elective in Oxford, England next fall. B/c of reasons already well explained in above post however I am having second thoughts about going.

Check it out for yourself though. Other potential problems you may face are: they often want you to stay for 8 weeks, sometimes you have to apply over a year in advance, and you can't take your wife (mine was not very happy about this). These mostly apply to schools with established programs for accepting visiting medical students. However as ortho22 said you can just find the website of a school/hospital in a town/country you'd like to spend some time in and just e-mail their ortho department head...tell them who you are and what you want to do and you'll be surprised at the enthusiasm with which you'll be received. I did this for about 5 places and all 5 said they'd love to have me. Two even apologized for not being able to pay for me to come.

In summary, European rotations are very cool and not that hard to find, but whether or not its the best thing for you to do depends on several things many of which revolve around how badly you need aways in the states to improve your chances of matching. In my own situation, I'll have to give up two aways to go on my European elective. Its a tough decision for which there is no uniform advice applicable to all people. I'm still not sure what I'll do.
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