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  Sunday, 18 July 2004
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There is no reason to keep posting Step I scores. Your scores only mean anything when considered with your application as a whole.

That being said...

If you have < 200 you should know that although anything is possible you better have thick skin and a strong resolve to continue; 200 - 220 you are at a disadvantage; 221- 230 you are average; 231 - 250 you are psyched; 251+ you better not get too cocky because there are plenty of others with scores as good as yours.

Remember that all you can do now is (in order of importance):
1. Get letters from "the right people"
2. Meet and impress "the right people" and then get a letter from them
3. Rock you ortho electives
4. AOA
5. Strong grades in Surgery and Medicine (which leads to AOA)
6. Publish. Research without publication is still valuable because you meet "the right people".
7. Enjoy your 4th year (maybe this should be No. 1)

As with all posts this is obviously just my opinion so take it with many-a-grain of salt. Hard work always pays off eventually.

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21 years ago
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I would put the previous #3 at No. 1 - I've said it before, at most all the programs I've seen, there is no better way to get in than to fit in and make the program want you. I was never asked about my grades or scores until interview day and I know of several examples of people below the famed 230/AOA who have gotten into good programs because they rotated there and did a good job. This doesn't go for all programs, because many get so many rotators that it doesn't mean that much to them - you should ask around to find out which ones these are and think hard about how much you want to rotate there, especially if your numbers are less than spectacular.
20 years ago
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You forgot:

#8 Don't be an A-hole.

I know of enough guys who rocked boards, were AOA, and "knew all the right people" but were so full of themselves that nobody liked them. The lesson is work hard, don't complain, and be nice to everyone you work with.
19 years ago
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AOA means very little (in terms of hurting you). If you have it, then it MIGHT help you. If you don't, not many people care. My med skool didn't even post AOA until after the match, as many med skools don't. The main thing is that you pull down a few honors in the "big-gun" rotations (i.e. med or surg) and avoid failing (or just passing) any clerkships during 3rd year.

I agree with the importance of "rocking your aways," not being a freak, and doing "well-enough" on Step I so that it's not an issue during interviews. What's that score? I have no idea, but I got a 228 and only one interviewer mentioned it (out of the 12 programs that I interviewed at 5 years ago).

I talk a lot with the Chairmen of our program and other staff members about what they look for in an applicant. On interview day, Most take a glance at the step 1 score (#1 by far). Then they peruse your LOR's to look for the "big names" or people THEY know. They look at your research/publications. They may or may not note what med skool you attended and how well you did in Surgery and Medicine. And quite a few of the attendings actually care what you do in your free time (that damn "hobbies" section). The rest of the time is spent weeding out the "pathologic" personalities during the sit-down interview. These are some of the "important points. And at the rank meeting we screen our top 60 or so, and I have never heard AOA mentioned in the 4 years that I've been in this program.

Just my 2 cents
19 years ago
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I agree with BoneJock. We have had several applicants that had great board scores and were not afraid to let you know (aka arrogant). programs like to have people with adequate scores b/c that does have SOME correlation as to your ability to pass the written ortho boards. However, they also want someone who is eager, humble, hardworking and TEACHABLE. I was not AOA. I had a board score in the mid 230's and I got 16 interviews (most of which Bonejock happened to be at!)
I only had one person ask me about AOA, and it was if my school had announced the "winners" yet (mine had not). In my opinion hands down to best way to improve your standing somewhere is to spend a month there and do well. Plain and simple.
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