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  Friday, 22 December 2006
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id like to think im entering this specialty with the best intentions, but money seems to be a bigger factor than i originally thought. just curious if others felt similarly.
19 years ago
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md007,

You are making assumptions about me which simply have no merit based on my previous posts.

1. I do NOT consider myself underpaid. I am quite happy with both the financial and non-financial benefits of my practice, so I don't need to "reconsider", "lobby", or "move", but I will keep your handy advice in mind. I AM concerned about declining reimbursement and empathise with our pediatric and family practice colleagues who I DO feel are underpaid considering the amount of training they required compared to other fields. This whole thread was kicked off by asking whether people would still consider ortho if it paid $125K per year. At last count roughly 50% said "probably not" or "nope" so I am certainly not in a miniscule minority when it comes to this issue.

2. I, like yourself, am a huge proponent of the free market system. I think anyone in our society should be allowed to earn EXACTLY what the free market will bear, including physicians. I don't fault professional athletes, lawyers, business people, etc for earning fantastic salaries. I simply think physicians should be allowed to operate under the same rules. Physician reimbursement is but a FRACTION of the total cost of health care in this country. If a physician or group refuse inadequate insurance plans, I don't think they should be condemned by their colleagues as uncompassionate or only money driven. Your cute little example about the family having more money for a 3rd SUV or grandpa's new hip ignores the following fact: Physician reimbursement has fallen in the face of RISING, not FALLING health insurance premiums and INCREASING insurance company profits. I don't think that "physician greed" and "taking advantage of the system" can completely or even closely account for the rising cost of healthcare in our country. It is naive to assume so.

3. To put the STARK issue to rest. I am not PERSONALLY involved with any STARK issues. Our community needs at least two trauma trained orthopedists. The hospital has been trying for years to recruit. There are multiple reasons behind their failure - relatively poor state, undesireable location for many, relatively few natives pursue medical careers, etc. The hospital has been offering candidates a salary that, as I understand it, can't exceed a certain percentile of all traumatologists or they risk violating STARK laws. They would probably offer a million bucks a year, but can't without raising eyebrows. By md007's logic, the law of supply and demand would dictate a traumatologist could earn a million bucks a year in this particular market and should be allowed. But because that traumatologist happens to be a physician, he or she shouldn't be allowed to make that type of money. As a result, we have a shortage - and rest assured, it isn't just my perception. I am all for letting society "make the decision" on what physicians are worth, as long as it works both ways and the market is allowed "demand" when the "supply" is short. I am of the opinion it is conspiring insurance companies and beauracrats in charge of puble payors that unfairly tip the balance of power.

4. Enjoy 4th year of med school. It is now obvious where you are getting your idealistic view of the medical system - you haven't worked in it yet. You may want to resist being too critical of those who discuss financial issues surrounding medicine until you have been to the front line. This is just a stab in the dark, but you just may have a change of opinion in 5-6 years when you are practicing yourself.

5. I am really not getting emotional. In reality I am bored because the weather sucks and half of my patients have not shown up for clinic. You can presume about me what you wish - my motivations, my and my colleagues little schemes to bilk money from medicaid, whatever. I am simply defending those who consider financial issues in medicine, because when it comes down to it, EVERY physician has a price. While you may consider it shallow and uncaring to refuse to practice orthopedics for $200k per year, I bet that you yourself would not pursue it if you made $12k per year. How could that not also be considered shallow, greedy, and uncaring? Although the threshold may be different, rest assured, EVERYBODY has a price, even yourself.
19 years ago
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EarthDawg - Thank you for your wisdom. As a lowly 4th year medical student, I rest humbled and dominated by your expertise. I am concerned, however, that you think I am making assumptions about you (your words), yet you specifically make assumptions about me because I'm an ms4. Did you even consider that I might be older and more experienced in healthcare management and economics than you? Should that even mean anything anyways? (I would argue that it should not, as we can debate about principles nonetheless, but I guess you feel different)

When I write about past and current problems in our healthcare system, I am not pointing out anyone. I am sorry that you feel this all comes down as an attack on you, but it is an attack on the entire system and process, of which I too am a part. Individual physicians have certainly made choices that were more in line with their financial interest than with patient welfare, and it would be nice to think that those are the evil ones that we need to get rid of. However, and despite my wishful thinking sometimes, this is virtually impossible, and often times these actions are done by honest, hard-working, patient loving individuals who are placed in a bad situation by the system itself.

You also assume that I am a "huge proponent of free market system". This is another monster about which we should be careful in making these gross overgeneralizations. I do have tendencies toward the chicago way of economic thinking, but have never seen or heard of a free market healthcare system in the united states that holds up to any ethical line of reasoning with justice or equality as a primary value.

And you're right, maybe I will change my mind in 5-6 years, after I go through residency training that has a tendency to rob people of much of their compassion. But do we not agree that the more diverse opinions the better? Isn't this the only way to ensure long-term integrity in our society?

Maybe you will also change your mind.
19 years ago
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let's get back to the main topic of this discussion ...

financial issues, those who are not currently in a field, where orthopaedics is a consideration .... if you have gone into medicine understanding the state of medical affairs now, you know that the physicians make less or the same as they did 10 years ago ... you understand you will probably not make a million dollars ... so why chose a specialty based on that ....

you know .. i will put up another poll .... and ask why have people chosen orthopaedics as a specialty ... maybe we will be able to answer some of those questions[/quote]
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