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As promised, here are my credentials.

Top 25 (US News) Med School
No honors at my school for 1st 2 years (not like I would've gotten it).
1 honor during 3rd year (Ob/Gyn), Obviously not AOA
Step1: 241
Step2: taking in 3 weeks
1 Immunology review article in undergrad (2nd to last author), 1 Transplant book chapter (2nd author out of 3), 1 Ortho presentation (at Shoulder and Elbow society meeting).
Rotated: Northwestern, Case Western, UT Southwestern

Interviews: Northwestern, Case Western, UT Southwestern, Stanford, Indiana, Kentucky, LSUNO, UTMB, Henry Ford, UIC, BU, SLU.

Did all excpet BU and SLU. Ranked all that I interviewed at.

Matched at No. 1: CWRU.

Still buzzed, but one of the happpiest days of my life.
22 years ago
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sorry for the delay. Longtime reader, first time poster.

Midwest school, XY chromosome
<250 Step 1
even worse step 2
AOA
all clinical honors
some preclinical
ortho research with pub and presentations
aways at NW and home program

interviews all over the place...NW, Florida, loyola, ochsner, uva, hss, mayo, kalamazoo, ccf, lij, usc, brown...

matched No. 1 NW

my 2 cents...research is key (got asked at every interview). Interview as much as you can afford because I have buddies that fell down to 15. Try to stay somewhat regional so you don't spread yourself thin. Away rotations is key. Do one at home program, one that you think you have a good shot in, and one dream program. If 3 is too much, I would do one home program and one dream program.
22 years ago
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Never Posted before...

Top 20 Midwest med school

Step 1:239
Step 2:231 (resist the urge to study for this, time better spent on PS2 NCAA College football skills)

No grades 1st 2 years
All honors 3rd/4th year except neurosurg(commendable), and OB (took the P), not AOA

Research:
2nd-3rd author on 2 ortho papers, one published in CORR and the other presented at international ortho meeting. Also 1 paper in Infectious diseases that I spent 1-2 months in Africa working on.
Also started own painting company in High School and continued through college, used money to help fund schooling (only mention this 'cause was asked about it on all the interviews I went on)

Very strong LORs from home program director and one ortho, others from cheif resident and head of medicine at home VA

Only 2 ortho rotations: CWRU and Michigan (honors at both)

Applied to 35, interivews at 18, went on 11 (Michigan, HSS, Harvard, GWU, CWRU, Dartmouth, IU, Loyola, RUSH, SUMMA Akron, and Arizona)

Really liked: CWRU, Michigan, HSS, RUSH, and GW

Ranked 10, Matched at top: MICHIGAN (couldn't be happier, great program and town)

Like others have said, you should include stuff outside of ortho that you like to do, there are plenty of people that like to play hoops, camp, golf, etc and it helps if they know you do too. Also I think that away rotations are most beneficial for getting to know what a program is really like and what it would be like to be there as a resident. Good luck to everyone.
22 years ago
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- Med school in Chicago
- Honors: med, surg, OB/GYN, rads (ortho does not give honors)
- AOA
- Step I: 260
- Step II: ??
- 2nd author on AAOS podium presentation and AAOS scientific exhibit
- Letters from 3 orthopods, 1 chief resident, 1 medicine - all from home
- Aways at MGH & HJD (late in the year, could not get letters in time)
- Applied to 30, invited to 16, went to 12
- Ranked (no particular order): Tufts, BU, HSS, HJD, Columbia, SLR, Northwestern, Loyola, UTHSCSA, Stanford, UCLA, USC

Would have loved to be at any of the above except BU (but would rather be at BU than be unmatched)
Matched No. 1: Tufts
22 years ago
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Midwest Medschool

Step I - 244
Step II - 235 - Took it in December and released my score, which made it available before rank lists were due. It didn't hurt me, but if I had to do it again, with a solid Step I score, I would not have released it and saved myself a month of worrying.

Honors/High Pass/Pass

35% Honors first two years

On the transcript: Honors in Surgery, Medicine, Ortho junior elective (4wk), Family medicine, Plastic Surgery Sub I, Ortho Sub I at home program. High Pass in three others and a Pass in Peds. (Made the mistake of letting my resident know I was interested in Ortho).

1 away - Loyola

Senior AOA

Letters: 3 Ortho and 1 Plastics, all ?strong to very strong.?

Research - one dedicated project started at the beginning of third year, working towards publication currently. Some interviewers rated my research experience on a 1-10 scale or something comparable and I think I generally got 7-8/10 with 9?s and 10?s probably reserved for published work in which the applicant played a major role. What I took away from this is that simply trying to add my name onto a project already in progress and getting a publication that way would not always be considered more impressive than working as a primary investigator on a project for which a publication is in the works.

Applied to 43 programs/offered 24 interviews. Did 18 including Cincinnati, CWRU, Akron General, SUMMA, Beaumont, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Henry Ford, Kalamazoo, AGH, WVU, Wisconsin, MCW, Loyola, UIC, Brown, Tufts, SLU

Standouts for me were Michigan, UW, MCW, Grand Rapids, Beaumont and Brown. Also impressed with CWRU (potential for research year dropped it down a bit) and AGH. Desire for a smaller city with less traffic, better cost of living dropped Tufts, Loyola and UIC.

Matched at home program, which was No. 1 on my ROL.

Some thoughts on the match:

1) While it is well discussed on this site, the importance of having components of your application that stand out in a positive way ? high board scores, honors on clinical rotations, strong letters, AOA, publications ? what is somewhat overlooked I feel, is the importance of minimizing the negative aspects of your application ? passes or low-passes on clerkships, average letters, no research (depending on the program), negative clerkship comments that make their way onto your Deans letter, etc. Programs are always looking for ways to eliminate applicants and it is as much the negative aspects of your application as a lack of positives that can hurt you when applying.

2) At one interview on the trail I was told by an interviewer ? ?In two hours, I have to sit down at a table with my colleagues and make the case for why I want you at my program over all the other applicants here today. What should I tell them?? I thought this question was very revealing and demonstrates the importance of having an advocate at the rank list meeting ? someone who will make the case for why you should be ranked highly. This emphasizes the importance of having more than a Step I of 260 on your application ? you need a well-rounded application that demonstrates consistent hard work and gives the interviewer something concrete to base his or her argument for why you would make an outstanding resident. Just being a pleasant interviewee, doesn?t cut it.

3) With regard to away rotations these certainly can help and are of increasing importance for those with average scores and grades, as doing well can overcome a lot. However they can hurt you and a poor impression, not only eliminates you from contention at that program but can also hurt you at other programs if the chairman is well-known and receives phone calls from other programs that you are interviewing at. Also, there has been some discussion in the past about doing aways at programs that guarantee you an interview. A guaranteed interview shouldn?t affect your decision on where to rotate, because if after a month, the program has decided they don?t want you, there is nothing you can say in the interview that is going to change their mind. All you are doing is adding the expense of interviewing at a program where you have no chance of matching while possibly taking time away from another interview where you might have a shot.

4) Regarding success on your Ortho sub-I, I agree with the above. I actually found it to be one of the easier rotations to Honor. Making the lives of your residents as easy as possible and contributing what you can to minimize the time they spend in the hospital is the key. Get there early, stay late. And never complain. As obvious as that is, I still saw students I rotated with complaining to the residents about how tired they were. You have to be smarter than that and realize, as tired as you may be, your residents are still working harder than you are.

Good luck.
22 years ago
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I agree with above. Netter's ortho anatomy was a big help also. Just go as hard as you possibly can everyday. You'll be tried but it will pay off.
22 years ago
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Average state medical school but top 25 US NEWS basketball program:
Step 1 - 261
step 2 - don't know yet
junior AOA
research - 1 very small non publishable project
engineering background with 2 patent applications related to orthopaedics
applied to 42 - received 36 interviews
interviewed at 15 -
rotated at UNC -absolutely solid program with great residents, great geographic location, great chairman and faculty and a preceptor based set up just needs a year or two to rebuild from losing faculty.
rotated at CWRU - not the right program for me

Rank list number 1 Iowa
Would love to be there Vandy, Duke, UNC, Yale, CMC, SUNY syracuse, U VA
Would be happy to be there: TJU, MCV, rochester, Mayo, U Conn
Other programs: Ohio state, Buffalo

Matched at Iowa.

I will be happy to answer any questions by PM.

When I was a third year I was looking for advice for a successful ortho rotation and here are my thoughts. Take it for what it is worth. Read Hoppenfields approaches for cases. Get there early and leave late. Be willing to make the lifes easier for residents by taking initiative and doing post op checks,
ER H and P's and orders, filling in orders before cases (see one then photocopy it), and changing dressings in rounds. Be agressive without being a suck up or being dangerous. My advice, things will work out if you work hard, smile, be honest, don't whine or complain, and be genuinely nice and respectful to people.
22 years ago
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cmc is carolinas medical center in charlotte, n.c.....
22 years ago
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please excuse the ingnorance, but CMC is...? I did a search and came up with several possibilities right off the bat (Carolinas Medical Center, NYSU Catholic Medical Center for Queens/Brooklyn, etc.)

Thanks
BF
22 years ago
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-med school - good school, S.east
-step 1 - 244
-step 2 - 238
-class rank - 20/110
-AOA
-lots of research. 4 papers, first authored, including JBJS Br and awaiting JBJS Am; podium presentation at OTA twice (won best paper twice) and AAOS twice (nerve racking)
-great letters
-honors in all 1-2 yrs, half of 3rd yr
-one away - CMC
-applied to 15, offered at 14, went to 5
-ranked - CMC, vandy, duke, wake, harvard
-matched in No. 1 CMC
-but all that matters is work your butt off. dont complain, come early, stay late, work hard. be nice, work hard. be eager, work hard. if you do an away, work hard. most orthopods want hardworkers....so work hard.

good luck!
22 years ago
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hey Goose,
i am going to Oxford next year and would really love to ask a few questions. this is my first time to post on this site...what would be the best way. PM or give you my e-mail address or other.

thanks

ps, from the dirty south so i could give you some advice too maybe (a smiley face might have been in order here, but i couldn't bring myself to do it)
22 years ago
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Top 30 Midwestern state school with top 8 football team (at least the past two seasons)

Step I: 256
Step II: 257 (took it in Feb, too late to matter)

AOA
Moderate amount of basic science ortho research, with one publication (as the fifth of eight authors)
Fantastic LORs: 1 from home chair, 2 from heavy hitters at home program, 1 from current editor-in-chief of CORR

Away rotations: Eight weeks at Oxford University in England doing ortho, but more on that later

Applied to 40
Invited to 24

Went to and ranked 13 (in this order): Iowa, Vanderbilt, Wisconsin, Wash U, CWRU, Yale, Mayo, Harvard, Duke, Loyola, UVM, Hopkins, Missouri.

Didn't/couldn't go to 11: Penn, Michigan, CMC, Oregon, Brown, UNC, Rochester, NYU-HJD, SIU, Dartmouth, Boston U

Matched at #2 Vandy, and couldn't be happier.

Anyway, as I mentioned before, I am currently across the pond, and still trying to recover after a five-day bender in London. Let's just say that being several thousands of miles away from the action this past week added slightly to the stress level. Fortunately, it wasn't anything that ten gallons of Newcastle and a bucket of Red Bull and vodka couldn't fix.

Seriously though, Oxford has been an incredible experience, especially after things turned out so well last week. Was I sweating bullets when I checked my email on Monday? Absolutely. Match Day will be unforgettable for all of us, but finding out my fate in a red phone booth in Piccadilly Circus from my wife opening the envelope on the other end of the line was pretty memorable. Fortunately it was 5:00 pm over here, otherwise known as Happy Hour.

I would say that while the international rotation might not be for everyone, it certainly makes you a unique applicant. I think you probably can do yourself more good by doing a conventional away rotation domestically, as it allows you to make a name for yourself at a particular program and track down good letters. But it may be something to consider. Just my two cents.

Anyway, congratulations to everyone, and best of luck to you. I am totally stoked to be heading to the Dirty South when I fly home in May. Cheers!
22 years ago
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Congrats to all, here are my stats:
Middle tier state school
3.74 at app time, all A's clinical(not good enough for AOA)
243 step 1
just took step 2
some late research but no pubs (to have something to talk about)
great letters from huge names
applied to 30, got 14, interviewed at KY, MS, UT Campbell, UT Chatt, Wake, Augusta (my only away), Orlando, Birmingham, UALR, UTSW, and Greenville. Couldn't make Carolinas, Louisville, or South AL.

Would have been ecstatic to hit any of my top four in no particular order : Wake, Greenville, UT Chatt, UT Campbell.
Matched at my No.2 Chatt (really my no. 1 but my sig other wanted another residency). Needless to say extremely happy with the match.

Advice for up and comers: Do well on step one, clerkships (obviously). Not so obvious-numbers will only get you interviews. It is CRITICAL that you work any connections (resident or attending friends, etc.) possible to help you secure a spot. Everyone has a good application and everyone can be johnny fun guy for a day at an interview (well maybe not everyone). Keep hitting the phones, email and thank you letters after you interview, just don't be annoying about it. Good luck to all with your future residencies and I look forward to having a beer at conferences with you.
22 years ago
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Med School in the Rocky Mountains!

Step I: 242
Step II: 245

>90% Preclinical Honors
Honors in all 3rd year clerkships except for Psych
Junior AOA
Two small research projects - one in peds cardiology and one in peds ortho, but no publications

Applied to 37
Interview Offers at 19 (51%)
Did NOT do any away rotations

Interviews taken at 10 (in order of ROL): Vanderbilt, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Colorado, Campbell Clinic, Iowa, Grand Rapids, UC Davis, Oregon, Kalamazoo

Interviews NOT taken at: Florida, Rochester, William Beaumont, CWRU, Penn State, UTSA, UVA, WVU and MCW.

Matched at No. 1 Vandy! Very excited!!!

Glad the match process is over... ready for a little R&R then head for some hard work and lots of fun!

Best of Luck to the next group!
22 years ago
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Average Northeast School
Junior AOA
4/6 Honors in 3rd year
Step I 251
Step II 239 (taken after rank list due)

Ortho rotations at home school, UPENN, Sloan-Kettering
Research: One abstract published in PM&R

Applied to 41 programs, offered 18 interviews, went on 12. Had to decline the others due to scheduling conflicts. Ranked all 12 programs plus 2 6yr programs.

XX chromosomes

Matched at No. 1: UPENN- 6yr program. Couldn't be happier!!!!
22 years ago
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Applied to 42
Received 22 interviews
Interviewed at 12 (Mayo, U. of Chicago, UIC, SIU, Wash U., Campell Clinic, Arkansas, LSU-NO, UT-Southwestern, Oschner, UT-Galveston, Oschner)

G.P.A. 3.8

A's in all rotations except in Peds

USMLE Step I- 242
USMLE Step II- 251

School-Located in the city were Elvis achieved his great fame.

Matched at Arkansas-A great program that many do not talk about. It has great faculty, excellent and friendly residents, and great weather.

It is my personal opinion that your letters are the most important thing, along with good board scores (the higher the better) and decent grades (the higher the better). I encourage everyone to get big names in ortho to write your letters. During my interviews, I believe that the interviewers only noticed who wrote my letter, not what was written. I also believe that it does not make a huge difference where you rotatate at because I recieved interviews at several interviews in the Midwest even though I only rotated in the South. Also prayer makes a difference.
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And Finally, to give a reponse to a previous email about minorities not being able to get spots at certain residency programs. I believe that if you work hard and get good board scores/good grades, you will have a shot at any program. And if there are any programs that don't want minorites, well screw them because there are plenty that do.

Peace and what's up cmcandrew....
22 years ago
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For those looking towards the WEST coast....

Middle of the road private medschool in the midwest

50% honors preclinical
50% honors clinical (but not in surgery)
Top 15-20% of class
NOT AOA

Step 1 : 242
Step 2 : still waiting

Research : several publications, but no publications in Ortho except large ongoing project that I have worked on for 3-4 years without being able to complete for publication yet. 2 conference presentations

Aways : Stanford, SFORP (san francisco orthopaedic residency program), SLU

Letters : 4 strong ortho, 1 gen surg, 1 medicine...I sent almost every program 3 ortho letters unless they asked for something different

Applied to 60
Interview offers : 24

Interviews I took (no particular order): UC Irvine, Stanford, U of Southern Cal, SFORP, UCLA-Harbor, U of Illinois-Chicago, U of Michigan, Kalamazoo, Wayne State, SLU, Duke, Ohio State, Oregon Health Sci, U of South Carolina, UTSW, U of Washington

Interviews offered but I declined/cancelled: MC of Wisconsin, Case Western, Tufts, Loma Linda, Maricopa, Emory, MC of Georgia, Indiana

Ranked 17 programs

Matched @ my # 1 : STANFORD

Western Region dominated top of my list as I am from California, but I found all programs I interviewed at to be good ones. That being said...I certainly could not be happier about my results!! Good luck to all the new orthopods.

PM me with any questions or if you are joining me in Palo Alto.
22 years ago
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#48591
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Hey DJD I just sent you a private message.
22 years ago
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Lower 1/3 east coast med school.

AOA+
Step 1: 253
Step 2: 235 (after application was turned in.)
Honored all of 3rd year rotations except Peds???

No ortho research, worked at J&J doing research on the contraceptive patch for 2 years (can you sense the pride).

Rotated at home school, Pitt, and USC.

Applied to 56, got 19 interviews, went on 10. Jan. 10 was brutal!!!! Ranked 9. Will keep unranked program anonymous.

1. Pitt - 5
2. Pitt - 6
3. UCLA
4. Harvard
5. Maricopa

Matched at Pitt - 5 year!!!!!!
22 years ago
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Congrats to all!!!
Here is my info:
Top 25 med school in midwest.
In first two years honored ~1/3 of my classes including anatomy, pharm, and neuroanatomy.
Clinical years honored all ortho rotations, oto rotations, urology, peds and near honored surgery. Passed medicine.
Non-AOA.
I have presented at the academy and twice at the midamerica conferences. I was 1st author in JBJS and am awaiting word on another that I am 3rd author. Still working on another project.
I got letters from my chairman and 2 other big names in ortho.
Step I-228
Step II-haven't taken yet...guessing about 188
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No away rotations (bad advice given to me about this...wish I would have done one, although it worked out in the end).

I applied to 66...got 20 offers...could only go on 12 due to date conflicts...ranked 14 (2 programs had a 5 and 6 year code)
1. Loyola
2. Iowa
3. Utah
4. Ohio State (5 year)
5. Yale
6. Virginia (5 year)
blah, blah, blah

Matched at No. 1 and I am excited!
22 years ago
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northeast school...probably considered average....transferred there after spending 1st year of med school in caribbean

honored 4/6 in 3rd year
home ortho plus 2 aways-all honors

no AOA (school says no transfers in AOA.....oh well)

step 1-235
step2-235

lead author for general surgery paper....no ortho research....

applied to 46........12 invites-->agh, hamot, geisinger, monmouth, tufts, mcv, st. joes/seton hall, gwu, wvu, lij, albany, drexel................only went on 8 due to scheduling conflicts.....

ranked all 8.........

matched at agh......couldn't be happier....
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