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md007

Friday, 08 December 2006

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This is in response to a message posted in the "rejections 2006-7" thread. Ongoing talk about programs' cutoff points, or if they even use one, will continue to occur. But let us get some objective data for a change, particularly for the applicants next year (which some of us might be), rather than listening to random college deans say things like "greater than 95% of the orthopaedic surgery programs use 230 as a cutoff to have your application reviewed". No offense intended to the poster of the above referenced message, I thank them for sharing and really starting this topic: Please cut/paste this list and add to it if you have another program or lower score than has previously been posted. I am starting with their programs and my own, organizing them by state alphabetically.

UCLA - 230
UC Davis - 230
San Francisco/St. Mary's program - 230
University of Florida - Jacksonville - 230
University of Illinois - 228
Southern Illinois University - 228
University of Kansas - 228
UMKC- 230
University of New Mexico - 230
University of Oklahoma - 230
Oregon Health Sciences - 230
Brown - 228
West Virginia - 228

ARM92

5 years ago

#43899

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Hey could you message me? I am applying with the lower STEP score and am trying to figure out programs that aren't as held up on STEP1, especially considering my STEP2 far surpasses most programs STEP2 cut off (of the few that I've found have one).

Direction

6 years ago

#43898

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where did you get this information?

Guest

11 years ago

#43897

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Just to update this thread with the 2014 Charting Outcomes in the Match data:

Matched Step 1 for US seniors in ortho is 245

Guest

11 years ago

#43896

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as above, not much you can do about it now, average match is definitely around the 240 range, highest cut off I've personally seen during application was 230 I think but to be honest most of this information is not shared. Only real hard number I can give you is that the average step 1 for my intern class was >250 for what it's worth.

Guest

11 years ago

#43895

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I'm not sure about the average I've heard it's still hanging around 240 but that's all hearsay since there's nowhere to get concrete data on that for this year.

As far as cutoffs go check out Freida, it will give you a good idea. Most programs are 220-230 cutoffs and a bunch of programs just increased theirs so who knows if there will be another increase next year or not.

I know the step scores are fresh for you guys but my advice would be to try not to obsess about it too much. If you're going to apply ortho just make the commitment and put step 1 behind you. It'll allow you to relax and do well in 3rd year and make you a much more enjoyable person to be around.

Guest

11 years ago

#43894

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Yes, I would definitely like some updated info on this topic as well. I just got my step 1 score back, mid-230s, a little disappointed, feel like I've left myself an uphill battle. What's the latest on step 1 expectations/standards at ortho residencies?

Guest

11 years ago

#43893

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Anyone know anything about more current cut offs or what the average matching score is these days?

Guest

15 years ago

#43892

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They also decreased the number that they interview from 80ish to 55 or so last year, meaning that probably weeded out some of the people with lower scores that had been interviewed in the past. That being said I agree that the interview becomes much more important after you get it, but it seems the Step score is important in getting your foot in the door (ie getting the interview in the first place). All that being said, Harvard is a fancy name in a cool city, but i thought it was the worst program pf the 14 that I interviewed at.

Guest

15 years ago

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i know someone who is resident at harvard and their step 1 was under 230. its a huge program with bigger name they can take a few people they really like whos scores arent amazing

Guest

15 years ago

#43890

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But also Harvard only interviewed like 55 people last year, so they were likely all 240+ anyways

Guest

15 years ago

#43889

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i know for a fact that at Harvard last year. Interviewers did not have access to peoples step scores during the interview Also, step scores are a minor factor after interviews have been given. Truthfully, whats the difference really between a 230 and 250 not much. Been told multiple times before that no one wants to work with assholes, regardless of your scores and qualifications.

Guest

15 years ago

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this last post is off in my opinion.

i obviously cant speak of their interview experience, but to say that board scores don't matter much ("minimal factor") once you got the interview is wrong- i was told on a few occasions that although my board scores were good, they were not amazing, and since you will be competing in the future with (amazing) orthopaedic residents nationwide (since now most <230 applicants have been taken out of the system and they are in other medical fields), the program leadership may think this will lead to lower OITE or other scores on your part. no PD or chair wants to have a resident team who scores below the national average on these tests even though there has got to be such a program somewhere.

yes, what you have beyond the step1/2 scores matters much in the interview, but dont be mistaken in assuming they dont consider your board score as well even after the interview has taken place.

Guest

15 years ago

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I don't know what your experience has been, but I did not find this to be true at all. I had a very average Step I score (average for US med students, below average for ortho applicants), and it was not mentioned once in any of my interviews. The questions I was asked were the same that everyone else was asked: "tell me about yourself", "tell me about X on your CV", general ethics/current events questions, etc...No one asked me about Alport Syndrome to make sure my basic science knowledge was up to snuff.

My experience has been that board scores are a minimal factor once you get your interview. If you get an interview, then you're qualified for the job as far as grades and board scores are concerned. After that, it's a matter of "who would i want to work with".

The attitude that a 250+ Step I score will put you ahead of everyone with a lower score is dangerous and misinformed. It's exactly this attitude that leads to the guy with a stellar score who gets too cocky, doesn't match and is left wondering "what happened?".

Guest

15 years ago

#43886

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Keep thinking that. Even the questions you're going to be asked by the interviewer would be vastly different for someone with a 260 versus someone with a 210. The latter score forces you against a wall to prove yourself; while the former just has to prove that he's not a dildo. You would have to be a humongous dildo and living under a rock if you can't put up an act for even one day.

Guest

15 years ago

#43885

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That's absolutely not true. For instance at Duke, Dr. Hardaker tells you that once you receive an interview, your Step I and Step II scores are removed from your file.

The candidate with a 210 that people want to work with will always beat out the dildo with a 260 that no one likes.

Guest

15 years ago

#43884

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Um, getting an interview doesn't mean you're in the door.

The guy with a 210 is still at the bottom of the rank list compared to the guy with a 260, unless he has like 10+ publications and his father endowed the medical center.

Guest

15 years ago

#43883

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It probably means "no thanks" as in he got rejected with a 243.

Guest

15 years ago

#43882

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What is meant by "no thx?" i.e. Univ of Washington - (No thx with 243)

Guest

17 years ago

#43881

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To Med 007: I think your idea of starting this thread was great. Its nice to see how you are thinking of others & trying to help. Its encouraging. Thank you.

Guest

18 years ago

#43880

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This thread is ridiculous.

You're already spending an obscene amount of money no doubt, so why try to save a negligible amount now by trying to avoid programs that "might" have USMLE cutoffs?

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