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  Thursday, 28 July 2005
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I'm doing aways at these places and wanted to hear any tips from anyone who had rotated at these places, are residents at these places, or otherwise has any thoughts on them.

Specifically, I've heard that Mayo, while it's a great place to learn 1-on-1 with top notch faculty, that the knock is that they don't operate as much as some other places and you "have to" do a fellowship to "learn how to operate". Just wanted to hear from someone who knows firsthand. Plus any site-specific tips for succeeding at the rotation would be appreciated.

As for Campbell Clinic, I've heard it's pretty laid back to do a rotation there. Who are the good faculty to work with? Any tops for rotating there specifically?
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Can't speak for Mayo, but as for Campbell....

The rotation is stuctured such that you usually will work with 3 private faculty for a week and do 1 week at the "Elvis Presley Trauma Center" (no joke) on Trauma. I asked to do 2 weeks of Trauma and then did two private weeks. The Trauma rotation is the only time you work with a bunch of residents. On the private weeks you will only be working with a few of the many residents. The residents are a great strength of the program... a stellar group of guys. The nice thing about it is that an R5 and an R2 take call together on some nights, on others an R4 and R3 take call (at least when I was there). What this means for you is that if you try to take call with the 4 and 3, they are more than happy to let you do some of the cases they do all the time (I got to do a tibial nail and do the bulk of a femoral nail as well as be first assist on a bunch of other cases).

As for the private weeks... I highly recommend working with Azar. He is an awesome person as well as an important guy to get to know since he is the program director.
I also enjoyed working with Beaty... nice solid peds experience, and he too is an awesome guy (as an aside he loves golf... and from what I hear shoots a pretty good game, unfortunately I suck at golf)

You have conferences, I believe, once a week and they alternate between Germantown and Downtown... the best conferences in the world... and not just 'cause beer is served.

The only downside is that you will do a lot of driving between Germantown and Downtown Memphis.

Also, if you need housing, check out the medical frat house (I can't remember the name). It's dirt cheap (like 350 per month) and you have a built in social group for when you're not taking call.

At the end of the rotation, you will have a one-on-one sit down with Azar and he will give you a thumbs up or a thumbs down as to whether you can plan on an interview in the fall.

I hope this helps... I highly recommend the rotation you will have a good solid experience and a great time there (Beale street and Tunica were enough to keep me occupied during my free time)
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This rumor will never die, but I'll again attempt to crush it....

Trust me, you'll operate plenty here, probably more than you want on many services (somewhere in your Sim rotations you'll realize your mail has been forwarded to the OR as your doing your 14th knee of the day).
The only areas you "have to do a fellowship" are spine, hand, tumor...and you have to do a fellowship in those anywhere. If you just want to do general orthopedics, you'll see more joints than you will ever need, both bread and butter cases and the most off the wall, complex, crazy revisons you can imagine (I can't imagine anyone needing to do a joint fellowship after training here). You get plenty of hand/foot and ankle for a general orthopod as well (carpel tunnels, distal radius fx, etc). If you want to do academics, your going to do a fellowship in anything regardless, although probably here you could still pass on a joints fellowship like I said.

Depending on your rotations, you may need or at least think you need some more scope exposure, that's the only area where the "have to do a fellowship" rumor may have at least some meniscule truth. That said, one of the chiefs who just graduated did a fellowship anticipating needing help in that area....but after his elective rotations he felt he wouldn't have had to do the fellowship now (the price of having to apply for fellowships so far in advance I guess). Similarly another chief is going straight into a sweet general practice and feels he is more than comfortable. There are several that did sports fellowships, but I think all of those guys did them out of interest and not b/c they felt they had to. In addition, we're kicking around ways to increase the scope experience even more (we have several staff that do a ton of scopes, but it's difficult to get everyone who wants to rotate with them all the time they want), and we also have an away rotation in Jacksonville where pretty much all you do is scopes for 3 months, just you running the show with the boss watching and teaching from what I hear.

There are reasons to not come here for some people (Rochester probably isn't for everyone, although it's not that bad, even in the winter; Some people can't stand wearing a suit in clinic, although I've really found no difference b/w a suit vs a dress shirt and tie and a white coat...I'd much rather be in scrubs either way). I don't think lack of operative exposure/experience should be anywhere on your list though, but you'll have to check us out to know for sure.

As for your rotation, you'll spend 2 weeks with 2 different consultants. It's pretty laid back, just help out however you can, know your anatomy and be yourself (unless yourself is a bad thing, then I guess you better find someone elses personality to borrow). You'll interview with our PD and one other staff while you're up here, usually the last week of your rotation. Let me know if you have any questions.....just send me a PM or whatever, I still try to check out this site every week or so.
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