female friendly programs

Just a note about programs without women... keep in mind this is a match. It's not like programs are offering positions to who they want in the program and not offering to the others. I know that our program got many fewer female applicants this year than usual (we have traditionally had 1-3 women in the program at all times). We had several women ranked to match but didn't match any. Just because a program doesn't have many women, doesn't mean they aren't friendly towards them. The best thing to do is contact a female resident at the program, or a male resident for that matter and inquire. Of course rotating there is a good way to see, but you don't want to waste your time with a program that turns out to be unfriendly to women. We allow all of our female applicants to interview with a woman, so they feel comfortable asking these types of questions. Also, recruiting a female attending is a difficult task. Not having one = also not reflective of not having interest in having one.
Just something to think on.

USC took 3 females this year, I think they try to improve program's image
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Wash U's newest class also has 3 of 6 women.

Thank you all for this wonderful insight. Its encouraging to see that more and more programs are starting to consider women competitive and competent applicants.

Congratulations to all those who matched in the most awesome branch of medicine!

Anyone going to AAOS this week? I'll be at the RJOS luncheon on Thursday and would love to meet anyone else going. PM me
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I think they are trying to improve in-training scores by having more females.
They are more reliable, consistent and disciplined.

By the way. I think scores not good indicator of residency program quality . Even best people when they have no time to study will score low anyway and opposite someone with very high scores might be very lousy, useless surgeon. It is internal issue of the department how residents score. IMHO Funding must be related to the usefulness of the Department to the Science and Health System.

Did USC have a bad rap for taking women before - or are you just saying they are trying to make the residency prettier? I know that I met several female residents that were happy there. Also, on the interview day the chair (or PD - I forget) went off for about five minutes about how much they like women. I thought it was funny because we were a room with ~60 male applicants and 4-6 females. All of us dudes were sitting there somewhat dumbfounded and the girls looked equally uncomfortable to be singled out in front of everyone.

They constantly take 2 (from 10) females every year
It is true they feel comfortable there, in general residents are very friendly and open people and like family (I worked there as an ortho techn for 5 years)
I always thought females "brings some scores" to the program...may be I am wrong...and because last year they have problems with low in-training scores and this year they got 3 females..it made my assumption even stronger..

When did you interview at USC? I had interview on Dec 16, I do not remember that long speech about girls, but may be I missed it

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Wake Forest has 5 females currently in the program (out of 16)

Nothing like making a gross stereotype, ehh? I would get crucified on here (and at home!) if I said men are "more reliable, consistent and disciplined" than women.
Why do people even try to make the distinction? I have met great female residents and I have met horrible ones. I have met great male residents and I have met horrible ones. To me it does not make a difference what you got between your legs, more so whats between your ears and your work ethic. To each their own I suppose.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that backwards comment. It just proves there is still a ways to go in erasing gender bias. Bonedoc, I totally agree!

nobody was talking about between legs abilities...
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but F and M are different?. that is why you have Olympic records, chess championship, and etc etc different for men and women

you can not ignore it
yes I know many GREAT female surgeon but they are "fews" among femailes in general

ortho surgery it is not only decision making it need some very good 3D sense and eye-hand coordination, some females have it but most have not ....why so many girls park and drive so horrible, why most of them DO NOT LIKE computer games???????.

exactly for same reason you see females in ortho as a minorities (20%)
they just do not like it or feel it is something for them ?? they just go to other programs
On my interview day I saw only 7 females among 55 applicants.

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So what is my point: when you see too many females in the program something is going on in there
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mafia - you should have quit while you were ahead.

seriously

hmm, maybe some of them dont like ortho b/c they ran into people with attitudes like yours when they were a med student.
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The reason some places have "too many females" is probably b/c they have a climate/culture there that is not sexist/biased against women. That would include the staff and the residents. I would think that a woman making out her rank list would guess that she would have a better chance of "fitting in" somewhere that already has female staff/residents vs somewhere who has never had females. Thus the tendency for some programs to have more than the average number of women.
As a matter of fact my program has not had a female for probably 15 years and this year we finally matched one. Why did it take so long? Were we openly hostile towards women? No, but it is hard to convince female applicants to go somewhere where there are no female staff or residents, nor has there been for some time.

Your generalizations about people based on gender are an insult to our level of education.

There are so many more reasons that fewer women apply to ortho residencies than simply an issue with visual-spatial relationships.

holy crap! you mean i don't know how to park my car??!! i can't freakin believe they let me drive firetrucks!

seriously, this is why medicine is a great field. there's something for everybody...

cheers.
firegirl

Agree, and I was pointing one of them

sounds heavy, here some interesting "more education"












by the way we use/need generalizations (stereotypes) every day, plus building of stereotypes heavily used in medical education
...remember most common cause, most common symptom....

One more time. I do not say women "less" then men, NO. they are just different ?specialists?, and of course there are many exceptions. Even if some females born to became pilots/surgeons/construction workers they will have to be ready to collide with men?s not groundless stereotypes.


Sorry for the parkin /driving ... I aggravated it ..I should use word many not most?..it is difficult to resist GROTESQUE
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mafia - i don't think anyone disputes that men and women are different or that they think differently. i would just go easy on the stereotypes (i.e. driving abilities).